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Proposal for Ontario to ban tanning for under 18s

The "ban-wagon" continues in this sorry province...

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TORONTO (CP) - A southern Ontario district health unit is seeking to pull the plug on teens under the age of 18 who want to use artificial tanning equipment, and has drafted a resolution urging the province to begin regulating the industry. The document was drafted by the Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit, where melanoma has recently ranked among the top ten cancers for men and women in the region. "Too many in our own area are starting to develop melanoma, so our goal is to reduce that number," said Angela Andrews, health promoter with the HKPR District Health unit. "We thought that by putting forward this message to (the) provincial legislature to ban artificial tanning use for teens 18 years and under, we would be able to reduce the rate of skin cancer down the road." The health unit, with offices in a number of southern Ontario communities, works in partnership with more than 170,000 area residents in advocating health promotion. Some 1,200 area residents were surveyed from January to December 2004 on artificial tanning. The majority of respondents said they used the service between 2-5 times a year, and those surveyed between the ages of 18-24 were in the top percentage of users at 27.7 per cent. Health Canada recommends against the use of artificial tanning equipment by anyone under 16, but only has jurisdiction over the manufacturers of the equipment. The resolution, approved by the health unit's board of health, was delivered last week to Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman and Health Promotion Minister Jim Watson. The move comes after similar recommendations by the World Health Organization in 2005 that those under the age of 18 should be prohibited from using artificial tanning equipment. The WHO estimates there will be 132,000 cases of malignant melanoma - the most dangerous form of skin cancer - worldwide each year. An estimated 66,000 people around the world will die annually from malignant melanoma and other skin cancers, while in Canada, about 880 of 4,500 new cases of melanoma this year will result in death, Canadian Cancer Statistics estimates. However, statistics from government agency Cancer Care Ontario found that while incidence rates of malignant melanoma increased among the elderly, they declined among the youngest age groups, including individuals aged 15-34. The WHO has also acknowledged the difficulties in determining the long-term effects of artificial tanning. "Sunbeds for self-tanning purposes have been available for the last two decades, and due to the long latency period for skin cancer and eye damage it has been difficult so far to demonstrate any long-term health effects," the organization wrote on its website. Andrews said it's vital to make people understand that the perils of tanning aren't immediately apparent. "People may go to an artificial tanning salon and may enjoy the effects of the tan, but . . . they're not seeing the effects of skin damage until 10 years down the road." However, the president of Fabutan Sun Tan Studios, Canada's largest indoor tanning company, said a blanket ban on artificial tanning use by those under 18 would be "too extreme." "Fabutan would support a system of regulation that allowed parents to make these informed decisions about what happens to their children," Doug McNabb said in a phone interview from Calgary. "We believe this is a decision for parents, no different than it is taking your child to a Little League game in the middle of a hot summer day." McNabb said clients between the ages of 16 and 18 must have a parent attend the first session, where they have to a sign a parental consent form to allow their child to proceed. "If they're 16 and under, parental accompaniment is a must," McNabb said. "We would terminate a franchise in the event that they were going to tan someone 16 (without it)." He also said he believes it's wrong-headed simply to urge people to avoid getting a tan. "The main message should be we should teach Canadians that they shouldn't sunburn," McNabb said. "We're missing the boat here when we simply say things like, 'There's no such thing as a safe tan."'

just think about the outrage of the vagino's out there.

i smell riot.

i would buy it if there was a definite link btw artificial tanning and skin cancer - then it would save the medical system money down the road.

but, i think thats pretty far fetched. this province seems to want to ban everything...

glad im leaving soon.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore just think about the outrage of the vagino's out there. i smell riot.

i smell malizia

i just flat out smell.... i've been wearing the same briefs since friday night, and have been drifting/sleeping in a ditch for a week now.

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Originally posted by simms327 i would buy it if there was a definite link btw artificial tanning and skin cancer - then it would save the medical system money down the road. but, i think thats pretty far fetched. this province seems to want to ban everything... glad im leaving soon.

whether it saves our socialized medical system money or not isnt the point. The fact is that the province may yet again decide our lifestyles for us to "save us from ourselves". Im sick of it.

aren't you over 18 yet?
you can smoke at 19 in ontario... going out to get sunburnt which could lead to cancer down the road seems like a relatively safe step towards helping prevent stupid youngsters from moves that may cause them cancer in the future... there are no immediate effects from smoking either but I think most of us agree that those under 18 should be limited in how easily they can get access to it.

Seems to me like the smoking and tanning restrictions go hand in hand with trying to safe guard Canada's youth from Cancers later on in life. Look at the upside... once you're 18 it won't matter, until you're 18 the government is trying to ensure you live a long and happy life by helping you make smart choices in your earlier years.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore i just flat out smell.... i've been wearing the same briefs since friday night, and have been drifting/sleeping in a ditch for a week now.

lovely.

i say it's a bluntly stupid move

the more restrictions they will put on stuff like tanning/smoking/whatever else, the more chances are that people would be buying fake ID's and going in and tanning or buying cigs

instead of just irrationally banning things, maybe they should come out with better warnings about dangers of smoking and tanning

I do think there should be a minimum age to when people can use tanning beds. I think the age should be 16 though.

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove i say it's a bluntly stupid move the more restrictions they will put on stuff like tanning/smoking/whatever else, the more chances are that people would be buying fake ID's and going in and tanning or buying cigs instead of just irrationally banning things, maybe they should come out with better warnings about dangers of smoking and tanning

you mean better warnnings like using half of the box of cigarettes to show a cancerous long or to show a 'limp stick' on the box... I think they have done a fair bit to warn people of the risks.
Now don't get me wrong here... I fully support people being able to choose to help eliminate themselves from the gene pool where god only knows how many people are still around because society protects them from their own stupidity... I'm all for everyone being able to choose for themselves, but looking at it from the perspective of responsible gov't then I can see the clear angle the gov't is taking on this.

Also it's kind of funny that one of your main points as to why they shouldn't create this restriction is because it will force people to get fake id's. think about it for a minute... who's the silly one if that's the real problem here.

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Originally posted by nusty you mean better warnnings like using half of the box of cigarettes to show a cancerous long or to show a 'limp stick' on the box... I think they have done a fair bit to warn people of the risks. Now don't get me wrong here... I fully support people being able to choose to help eliminate themselves from the gene pool where god only knows how many people are still around because society protects them from their own stupidity... I'm all for everyone being able to choose for themselves, but looking at it from the perspective of responsible gov't then I can see the clear angle the gov't is taking on this. Also it's kind of funny that one of your main points as to why they shouldn't create this restriction is because it will force people to get fake id's. think about it for a minute... who's the silly one if that's the real problem here.

i'm not very good with getting my points across sometimes - but what I mean that the more restrictions is put on whatever good/service, there more incentive there will be for people to go ahead and make sure they get through and get to try it out, with whatever means they can

i really don't think banning will solve any problems, any kind of banning that is

i mean, as if 19+ on drinking has elliminated drunken house parties where teens get trashed out of their heads?

Are you still happy your party won the election Jay?

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Are you still happy your party won the election Jay?

Yes the conservatives are doing great. Now its time to get ride of liberal mcguinty and the "ban-it brigade."

k im leaving canada.

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Originally posted by RapidFire k im leaving canada.

Why because you're under 18 and can't lay outside and tan?

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Originally posted by RapidFire k im leaving canada.

Why? Because you think you can find a better country somewhere else?

I think a lot of you should quit your bitchin'. We are one of the few countries in the world that has government funded healthcare. That is a huge HUGE deal. Naturally, if you get a big privelage like that, they are going to give you guidelines to make sure that you aren't going to be abusing the system.

Trying to prevent MORE cancer is a good idea, especially considering that it is the number one cause of death in Canada. It has already been decided and accepted by the state, and by society that anyone under the age of 18 (on a general scale) is not mature enough to make life altering decisions on their own. I believe that there are exceptions to this, however, on the whole, kids younger than 18 are more caught up with their social life and status, and most are not too concerned with much beyond that.

So, to ensure in 10 years we don't have a boom of skin cancer that is wiping out the resources in our hospitals, and killing off hundreds of idiots who tanned the shit out of themselves, they are trying to limit the availability to the tanorexics now, and hopefully dissuade them from continuing a bad habit.

If you want to live in a country where you get health care practically given to you, then don't whine about how the government is putting restrictions on health hazards.

we should ban them altogether.

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Originally posted by Theresa I think a lot of you should quit your bitchin'. We are one of the few countries in the world that has government funded healthcare.

thats actually one of the reasons i want to leave. I just had 2 recent experiences with our wonderful socialized medical system and it had me wishing i had the option of a private hospital. If lived near buffalo i would take private insurance in a second.

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If you want to live in a country where you get health care practically given to you, then don't whine about how the government is putting restrictions on health hazards.

A) I have an income tax bill that tells me that its NOT practically given to me. We pay almost the highest taxes in the world

B) If using socialized health care is a valid excuse to tell people how to live their lives, then please allow me opt out so i dont have to be parented by the government and do-gooders who think they know better than i do.

I guess soon that teens will need letters of consent just to set foot outside their house, lol.

On the one hand, we already see fit to restrict access to driving, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. on the basis of age...I'm just not sure this is *that* serious an issue.

If some teen is abusing tanning beds, maybe their parents should smack them...'banning' their use by minors removes responsibility that SHOULD be taken by parents and operators of tanning salons...and punishes teens who use them responsibly (i.e. to get a bit of colour vs. scorching themselves).

I'm inclined to support a ban on kids below 16, 14 or something like that...but I think a 17 yr. old can make an educated decision here.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats actually one of the reasons i want to leave. I just had 2 recent experiences with our wonderful socialized medical system and it had me wishing i had the option of a private hospital. If lived near buffalo i would take private insurance in a second. A) I have an income tax bill that tells me that its NOT practically given to me. We pay almost the highest taxes in the world B) If using socialized health care is a valid excuse to tell people how to live their lives, then please allow me opt out so i dont have to be parented by the government and do-gooders who think they know better than i do.

Yea, we pay taxes, but not nearly as much as the Americans do, and they don't even get healthcare out of it.

Seriously, I think you need to move to China or something, and then come back here and complain about out government.

And guess what... maybe you are smart enough to make wise decisions, but most of the people on this planet are not. If you hadn't noticed, there are a lot of morons that ruin shit for the rest of us.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, we pay taxes, but not nearly as much as the Americans do, and they don't even get healthcare out of it.

Our tax bracket rates are higher than the USs! I dont know what you mean by saying they dont pay nearly as much as us and they dont even get health care outta it.

Theyre the ones that dont pay nearly as much as us, esp in the top brackets! So many wealthy Canadian leave for the US bc of our ridiculously high taxation rates and how quickly they kick in!

The combined federal/ontario rate was 46.41% for 2005! Almost 50%! FUCKING RIDDICULOUS!

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And guess what... maybe you are smart enough to make wise decisions, but most of the people on this planet are not. If you hadn't noticed, there are a lot of morons that ruin shit for the rest of us.

Seriously, if these ppl who are 16 or what cant figure out what wise decision are, that's their tough luck, bc thats a disgrace. Jesus, as human we have the capacity... but instead we wanna be cradled and the government thinks its their job to step in and decide everything for us!

God! WE HAVE MINDS! ITS TIME WE LEARNED TO USE THEM (FOR OURSELVES!)

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, we pay taxes, but not nearly as much as the Americans do, and they don't even get healthcare out of it.

you think americans pay higher taxes than us?

hahahahahahahahhaha

ok now seriously... they pay far lower taxes whether its income tax, property tax or even sales tax. They can also write off a lot more than we can such as interest payments on mortgages.

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Seriously, I think you need to move to China or something, and then come back here and complain about out government.

comparing our government to a communist government and saying ours is better doesnt really say much. And BTW in China you can drink all hours of the night, hold raves, and tan till your heart's content.

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And guess what... maybe you are smart enough to make wise decisions, but most of the people on this planet are not. If you hadn't noticed, there are a lot of morons that ruin shit for the rest of us.

there are a lot of morons. And we should be protected from morons. But morons should not be protected from themselves. Let morons be moronic!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 there are a lot of morons. And we should be protected from morons. But morons should not be protected from themselves. Let morons be moronic!

There you go! That said it fucking PERFECT.

At some point you have to assume responsibility of and for yourself.

If the morons cant realise this and chose not to act in a "positive" way for themselves, then its their problem.

The right shouldn't be taken away because some dont realise its harmful to them. Too much shit and rights are taken away bc of some morons. Its not right.

If they cant figure it out, it should be their tough luck.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats actually one of the reasons i want to leave. I just had 2 recent experiences with our wonderful socialized medical system and it had me wishing i had the option of a private hospital. If lived near buffalo i would take private insurance in a second. A) I have an income tax bill that tells me that its NOT practically given to me. We pay almost the highest taxes in the world B) If using socialized health care is a valid excuse to tell people how to live their lives, then please allow me opt out so i dont have to be parented by the government and do-gooders who think they know better than i do.

omg +1 for B

and I've heard enough of stories about people sitting in emergency rooms with broken limbs in augony for hours and noone would attend them! oh, and what about seeing a doctor with obvious signs of fever and heavy cough and given some stupid Tylenol?! so this is the system you guys are wasting your taxes on? (i'm not a resident yet)

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