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Booze ban sparks resignation of entire newfoundland fire dept.

I wish more people stood up for their rights like these guys....

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The entire volunteer fire department in a Newfoundland town has resigned, following a new policy that forbids drinking alcohol in the local fire hall. The Point Leamington fire hall had doubled for years as an unofficial bar for the community of about 700 on the island's northeast coast. Fire Chief Fraser Stuckless said he complied with a town order this spring to stop selling booze to the public. However, he said the force of a dozen firefighters should still be allowed to enjoy a drink on special occasions. "The other fire departments, they do have alcohol .... The alcohol is there for personal use for the firemen and, as far as I'm concerned, we should be allowed to do the same," said Stuckless. However, Mayor Robert Elliott says past problems at the hall prompted the town council to take a firm position. "The fire department has been told [on] many, many occasions, you can't sell beer. On many occasions they've never listened," Elliott said. "This is the only solution we saw. Take it out, [and] then you can't sell what's not there." Ruth Rideout said she and other residents are concerned about the possible loss of fire services, and why council is being so adamant on the issue. "Is it that someone turned up drunk to a fire? We don't know. Or is it just that council wants to clean house? We don't know that either," she said. "But I think as a town we're entitled to some answers." The withdrawal will not leave Point Leamington altogether in the lurch. While the force will no longer do routine work from the fire hall, Stuckless said members will respond to emergency calls.

I'm lost.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope I'm lost.

the firehall acted as a bar. They wanted to close the bar so now firefighters cant even have their own booze in the fire hall. As a result they all quit in protest.

I should have been more clear.

Why would there be a bar in a firehall to begin with?
Let's say there was concern for the issue of firefighters getting drunk or whatever, why wait so long to finally ban the thing?

It doesn't make sense to me.

Wow!

Anyone got a match?

Why are firefighters so concerned with being able to drink on the job?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Why are firefighters so concerned with being able to drink on the job?

THERE WE GO! someone who always word things better.

so much for them having a nice dry sherry before bed and a handy under the table revenue stream!

not to mention they are volunteer firefighters, no money, the firehall is like their home.

I'd rather have drunk firefighters trying to put out my house fire, than no firefighters at all.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Why are firefighters so concerned with being able to drink on the job?

yes my thoughts precisely

ridiculous

its newfoundland... its a small town..

they arent so anal about rules and regulations like we are. Or at least they werent. And things were working fine until some dogooder decided to impose their morals on others.

Sounds familiar to me...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 its newfoundland... its a small town.. they arent so anal about rules and regulations like we are. Or at least they werent. And things were working fine until some dogooder decided to impose their morals on others. Sounds familiar to me...

guys what are you talking about??

selling booze at a work place?!

who cares if it's a small town! lives of people in a small town are no less important then of people in a big town!!

so instead of sober firefighters serving their duty, they had a bunch of drunkards running around?! and now they are pissed off? well fuck them then!

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove guys what are you talking about?? selling booze at a work place?! who cares if it's a small town! lives of people in a small town are no less important then of people in a big town!! so instead of sober firefighters serving their duty, they had a bunch of drunkards running around?! and now they are pissed off? well fuck them then!

they want to know what the reasoning is. The impression that i got is that everything worked fine. i dont think firefighters were getting hammered on the job.

Life isnt always so black and white. If the firehall served as a community meeting place and that was part of their culture that worked fine for a town of 700, whats the problem?

So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town?

Reminds me of molson. In the 80s they used to have beer at board meetings. They let employees drink on the job. It was part of the company culture. Nothing bad EVER happened yet they banned all this activity in the 90s. Not based on ANY incident what so ever but because something MIGHT happen someday.

Give me a break!

I think there may be some safety concerns with having fire fighters drinking on the job. Granted they're volunteers but you figure for their own safety they'd want to be sober while running into a burning building. I know nothing about this town but surely there are enough volunteers that a system could be worked out where half can drink away their "the fishery has closed down so we need a handout" assistance cheques Monday, Wednesday, Friday while the other half stay sober until Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.... Sunday is a wild card...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town?

Try as I might, I can't think of a better definition for a politician.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they want to know what the reasoning is. The impression that i got is that everything worked fine. i dont think firefighters were getting hammered on the job. Life isnt always so black and white. If the firehall served as a community meeting place and that was part of their culture that worked fine for a town of 700, whats the problem? So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town? Reminds me of molson. In the 80s they used to have beer at board meetings. They let employees drink on the job. It was part of the company culture. Nothing bad EVER happened yet they banned all this activity in the 90s. Not based on ANY incident what so ever but because something MIGHT happen someday. Give me a break!

i see what you mean, but still - from my point of view, alcohol at a workplace is a no.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they want to know what the reasoning is. The impression that i got is that everything worked fine. i dont think firefighters were getting hammered on the job. Life isnt always so black and white. If the firehall served as a community meeting place and that was part of their culture that worked fine for a town of 700, whats the problem? So 1 idiot gets into power and decides the fate of the whole town? Reminds me of molson. In the 80s they used to have beer at board meetings. They let employees drink on the job. It was part of the company culture. Nothing bad EVER happened yet they banned all this activity in the 90s. Not based on ANY incident what so ever but because something MIGHT happen someday. Give me a break!

It's called liability, and that's a part of our culture too.

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Originally posted by TO guy It's called liability, and that's a part of our culture too.

DING!

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Originally posted by FunkyGroove i see what you mean, but still - from my point of view, alcohol at a workplace is a no.

but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

"No drinking till you're 19" seems like a pretty blanket statement to me. What if I'm mature at 17?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

right now the instance is selling alcohol at a work place - whatever that hall is for the rest of town, is a different matter

the matter of fact is that, volunteers or not, those guys are, just like security guards or policemen, the prime safety force in a town

forwarned = forarmed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 but thats your point of view. And maybe in many instances thats true. But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

That's what laws are; uniform rules.

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Originally posted by TO guy That's what laws are; uniform rules.

exactly

under any law all individuals have equal rights and liabilities

so why just becuase it's
a. small town
b. they are volunteers and
c. it's always been that way,
should they/the dept. not obide the law?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But should 1 law blanket every single person in every single circumstance? Obviously the answer is no and its something many people (including politicians) are failing to realize in today's society.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Dude, the rule of law... all people are equal before the law. You can't make a special exemption in the law because this is a small town and people have been drinking in the fire hall for years, that's idiotic to even suggest.

FFS, read the article before you post.

The issue has nothing to do with getting drunk on the job. As stated in the article, they banned all alcohol at this NLFD FD because they openly sold booze to the public. This has nothing to do with drinking on the job, as the article states "The other fire departments, they do have alcohol .... The alcohol is there for personal use for the firemen and, as far as I'm concerned, we should be allowed to do the same, said Stuckless."

So.. in summary (kinda sad to have to summarize 1 minute worth of reading) the fire department sold booze to the public despite repeated orders to stop such activity. They did not comply. Now there is no booze allowed at all.

This is not a debate about whether or not there should be booze allowed in fire departments, rather it's just a story of a fire department that tried to act like a bar, and got caught and reprimanded.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict FFS, read the article before you post.

The point still stands. You can't have unlicensed establishments selling alcohol. And if you read the thread ... the discussion shifted ... you can't have laws that are different in certain circumstances.

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