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Posted by BobTheSlob on Jun-15-2006 04:23:

Denon DN-S1000 vs. Pioneer CDJ-200

Both same price, 400 dollars each. Which would you pick and why?


Posted by Danila on Jun-15-2006 04:52:

cdj's-200 arent 400 each. You live in the USA you can get them from GC or online for around 330. Just to let you know


Posted by BobTheSlob on Jun-15-2006 04:59:

Well shit. That's awesome

But still, which one would you pick between the two?


Posted by SPAWNmaster on Jun-15-2006 05:57:

actually from hookedontronics.com you can get the CDJ-200's for $298 if you live in the US


Posted by i got big pants on Jun-15-2006 06:05:

^ yeah...but they're not authorized. take a look at pioneer dj's website. a steal imo, but i wouldn't run the risk if for some reason the cdj's crap out on you


Posted by Omega_Blue on Jun-15-2006 06:49:

sigh


Posted by SPAWNmaster on Jun-15-2006 07:24:

thats true they arent authorized so OFFICIALLY you dont get the warranty however hookedontronics will actually cover the costs of any problems you might have that would be covered under warranty...i know this because i actually phoned them about it!


Posted by punjabi on Jun-15-2006 15:16:

200s over the denons for sure


Posted by BobTheSlob on Jun-15-2006 16:31:

200's it is I guess. Any reasons why Denons are not getting picked? Is it just a "duh..because" kind of thing?


Posted by on Jun-15-2006 17:30:

They don't have the same reputation as the 200's. The pitch accuracy on the Denon's is not as good as the Pio's (Denon are .1% & Pio's are .02/.05/.1 at 6%,10%,16% respectively)

I find the cue system on the Denon to be a pain in the ass.. The Pio's are super easy. I never did like the spinning platter to actually play on, cool idea, but never liked it, so Pio wins for me there..

The 200's are solid units IMO..


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-15-2006 17:31:

Not really... the Denon's are very nice decks (I used to own a pair)...

The Pioneers have the following over the Denons:
1. The CDJ-200's have .02% pitch resolution at +/- 6%. That's as accurate as the CDJ-1000's (and better than the CDJ-800). The Denon DN-S1000 has .1% pitch accuracy. Now, you should be able to mix fine with either deck (there's a lot of people obsessed with pitch resolution for some reason, even though up until a few years ago all CD decks were .1% and nobody minded much).
2. The CDJ-200's use the "Pioneer" style of cueing and looping. This is nice if you play out, as Pioneers are more common for standalone (not-dual) decks than are Denons. Once again, not a big deal.

The Denons have the following over the Pio's:
1. Scratch disc. Now it's not really good for "scratching" like a mad man, it's more of a scratch "effect". If you like that sort of thing it's an advantage.
2. Pitch bend buttons. Some people love these, some people hate them. I wouldn't mind having them on my CDJ-1000's, but alas Pioneer decks don't have them (except for their dual unit).

So they are both really solid little units (and the Denon's are really nice and little!). But for pure mixing, the pitch accuracy of the Pioneer's give them the edge.

Oh, and to the poster above: The DN-S1000 platter does not spin. Unless you spin it yourself, of course

And the Denon cueing system isn't that bad... hit play/pause instead of cue.

quote:
Originally posted by BobTheSlob
200's it is I guess. Any reasons why Denons are not getting picked? Is it just a "duh..because" kind of thing?


Posted by BobTheSlob on Jun-15-2006 18:18:

Sounds like I want the 200's without a doubt then.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Jun-16-2006 02:51:

quote:
Originally posted by J:\Digital
They don't have the same reputation as the 200's. The pitch accuracy on the Denon's is not as good as the Pio's (Denon are .1% & Pio's are .02/.05/.1 at 6%,10%,16% respectively)

I find the cue system on the Denon to be a pain in the ass.. The Pio's are super easy. I never did like the spinning platter to actually play on, cool idea, but never liked it, so Pio wins for me there..

The 200's are solid units IMO..


Agreed 100%. Denon's are alight; but Pioneer's are so user-friendly.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Jun-16-2006 02:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
2. Pitch bend buttons. Some people love these, some people hate them. I wouldn't mind having them on my CDJ-1000's, but alas Pioneer decks don't have them (except for their dual unit).


Useless in my personal opinion. The jog wheel of the Pioneers is so much more intuitive.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-16-2006 04:06:

Well it's not so useless to people who have been playing out since before you were in diapers...

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Useless in my personal opinion. The jog wheel of the Pioneers is so much more intuitive.


Posted by Stu Cox on Jun-18-2006 11:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Well it's not so useless to people who have been playing out since before you were in diapers...

Yeah the original Denon rack-mount CD players had pitchbend buttons, before Pioneer even thought of doing CD decks. Same goes for the Denon cueing system - just happens that Pioneer came up with a system that seems more logical to most, but some still find the Denon method easier.

In fact Denon pretty much invented digital audio, so they're not all that stupid

Sometimes I'd rather use pitchbend buttons, sometimes I'd rather use a jog wheel but with the Denon you get the best of both worlds.

But yeah I'd still go for the CDJ200. The Denon's also got loads of fx, but you've gotta use the jog wheel for them (much like the fx on the CDJ100 or the jog fx on the EFX500) which I find a bit useless for any of them apart from the filters.



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