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From Citynews.ca

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Feds Propose Bill To Crack Down On Street Racers Thursday June 15, 2006 It's been glamorized in the movies, but the reality of street racing is anything but glitzy. Thirty-four people have died as a result of the illegal activity over the last six years and on Thursday the federal government made good on its promise to get tough on drivers who put others at risk because of their need for speed. The feds introduced a bill aimed at cracking down on road racers by making the competitions a specific Criminal Code offence. Street racing is already illegal under other sections of the Code, but federal Justice Minister Vic Toews said this move will send an important message. "What we need to do in this particular case is send a specific message that the crime of street racing, regardless of whether it is already captured by other offences, is important, and that we want to increase the penalties for specifically street racing," he explained. "That would include raising the potential sentences by increasing the maximums and also by creating mandatory periods of prohibition." This move comes after a three recent incidents, one deadly, that involved alleged street racers. Last month, Robert and Lisa Manchester were killed when one of two cars allegedly participating in a road race plowed into their vehicle. The couple leaves a seven-year-old daughter behind. Thirty-two-year-old Allison Hickey is in hospital, unable to speak or move the right side of her body after an alleged street racer plowed into her car earlier this month. She and her fianc� were heading to a movie when the crash happened. And police believe street racing may have been the cause of a dramatic crash on Highway 427 near Rathburn Road Tuesday night that demolished a Corvette. The person behind the wheel is now fighting for their life in hospital. To highlight the dangers of road racing and the damage it can cause, provincial officials and York Regional Police were on hand Thursday morning in Markham as two illegal racing cars were demolished (pictured). The province also has an ongoing anti-street racing campaign underway. "By destroying these cars, we are ensuring that they will never be on the streets in Canada again engaged in the activity of street racing," Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said. "Secondly, destroying these cars is intended to send a powerful message of deterrence. We are seeking ... to send a message to street racing motorheads and drivers that we're not just going to take your keys away for a few weeks, we are going to take your precious vehicles away from you. We're going to bring them into a scrap yard where they will be destroyed." The two vehicles that were reduced to scrap metal Thursday had thousands of dollars of engine modifications and had been seized by police separately in 2003 and 2004. They were seized under the Civil Remedies Act, which authorizes the Attorney General to ask civil courts to freeze, seize and forfeit the proceeds and instruments of unlawful activity to the Crown.

I looked around for the Bill the article mentions, but couldn't find anything. Is this government taking away our right to street racing Jay?

good.

throw them in jail.

i agree with this law in principal. However, i dont think it should be implemented without provisions to accomodate street racers in a safe and legal venue.

Part of the bill should include a mandate to build or encourage development of safe racing facilities. Just banning something wont change anything.

Also i am disturbed that the police and authorities are actually seizing modified cars and DESTROYING them on public display. Whats next? going back to the medeival practice of stringing up criminals by their toe nails in the town square to serve as an example?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i agree with this law in principal. However, i dont think it should be implemented without provisions to accomodate street racers in a safe and legal venue. Part of the bill should include a mandate to build or encourage development of safe racing facilities. Just banning something wont change anything. Also i am disturbed that the police and authorities are actually seizing modified cars and DESTROYING them on public display. Whats next? going back to the medeival practice of stringing up criminals by their toe nails in the town square to serve as an example?

I wish I could find the Bill on Parliament site, so this is we don't have to be guessing. But yeah, I would imagine that if "car racing" was done in a legal and safe environment it would not be "street racing" and would be a permitted activity.

I would hate to think that F1 weekend, the Indy etc would have to be cancelled ....

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Originally posted by TO guy I would hate to think that F1 weekend, the Indy etc would have to be cancelled ....

that wouldnt happen

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Originally posted by Floorwhore that wouldnt happen

+1 They are looking to get rid of the idiots flying on public roads... I agree that some kind of plan for safe and legal racing should be put into place, but it's no excuse for racing. I like how they are destroying these cars publically, maybe it will actually make racers think twice before they do it. You can't blame this on the police, the idiots decided to race, they knew the consequences and they got caught, so it's their own damn fault.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 +1 They are looking to get rid of the idiots flying on public roads... I agree that some kind of plan for safe and legal racing should be put into place, but it's no excuse for racing. I like how they are destroying these cars publically, maybe it will actually make racers think twice before they do it. You can't blame this on the police, the idiots decided to race, they knew the consequences and they got caught, so it's their own damn fault.

you condone the state arbitrarly seizing private property and then destroying it on public display?

Whats next? Demolishing perfectly good houses because they were used for grow ops?

Whats this country coming to?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/39/1/parlbus/...19_cover-E.html

here's the Bill, I guess the site is just a little bit slow.

site seems fine at the moment...

I dunno...I think this Bill is more of a vote grabber than anything.

They could have strengthened existing laws...speeding, criminal negligence causing death, etc...and some provinces already have addresses street racing in their own laws...but explictly addressing "street racing" is politically beneficial for the federal gov't.

it's not "bad" legislation, of course...just not as necessary as Harper's gov't suggests, IMHO.

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Originally posted by MarkT site seems fine...just keep clicking 'next' at the bottom

Yeah yeah, 10 minutes ago C-18 was the last bill in the table .....

Looks like a good ammendmen, life if you cause death, 14 years max otherwise.

I'm going to get a top fuel alcohol fueled monster and run it up and down Yonge St. looking for Honda drivers.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i agree with this law in principal. However, i dont think it should be implemented without provisions to accomodate street racers in a safe and legal venue. Part of the bill should include a mandate to build or encourage development of safe racing facilities. Just banning something wont change anything.

Wait.... encouraging the building/development of sfe racing facilities.... wouldn't that be government intervention? How could you suggest such a thing?

FYI, there are a lot of old race tracks around that closed following the death of drag racing in the 70s. If there was a profit in it I'm sure people would open them back up. Is that not the better way (from your perspective). Honestly, why should the government be expected to subsidise these people's hobby?

You could have just bumped this

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I'm going to get a top fuel alcohol fueled monster and run it up and down Yonge St. looking for Honda drivers.

I get Shotgun!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you condone the state arbitrarly seizing private property and then destroying it on public display? Whats next? Demolishing perfectly good houses because they were used for grow ops? Whats this country coming to?

It is no longer private property when it is used to commit a criminal offence. The idiots decided to race out of a racetrack which is ILLEGAL, so they lose their car. If they weren't racing, they wouldn't be having any problems in the first place. I think you are exagerating this a little.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Wait.... encouraging the building/development of sfe racing facilities.... wouldn't that be government intervention? How could you suggest such a thing? FYI, there are a lot of old race tracks around that closed following the death of drag racing in the 70s. If there was a profit in it I'm sure people would open them back up. Is that not the better way (from your perspective). Honestly, why should the government be expected to subsidise these people's hobby?

im not asking for subsidization. Im asking for the government to make sure that these facilities can be built. In other words, find places to build these and make sure that the noise whiners dont get in the way. No tax payer money, just assurances that it can be done.

And also a lot of why the race tracks were closed was because people starting whining about the noise.

^^^ I think (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that insurance (liability) and astronomical construction costs are probably a *huge* obstacles into building more tracks.

again...a lot of street racing has *nothing* to do with a lack of available tracks. Half the thrill is just running someone on the road.

these guys killing people (and themselves) aren't the same guys who put on a helmet and head to a track somewhere.

it's people with too much money and too little driving skill (not to mention no common sense). Some idiot totalled his Corvette the other day on the 427...I bet he's *never* taken the car to a track or actually learned how to PROPERLY harness the power at his disposal and even gain a basic grasp of the physics behind handling, braking, etc.

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I think (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that insurance (liability) and astronomical construction costs are probably a *huge* obstacles into building more tracks.

I can assure you that liability insurance would be either impossible to get or very expensive. Which brings us back to profit. If it were profitable the private sector would do it, the reason they haven't is likely because it is not profitable (and insurance would be a large part of the expenses). This leads me to another question for Jay, what good are assurances that facilities could/would be built of no one has the motivation to build them? Moreover, are they necessary? I highly doubt there is any existing legislation that forbids the building of such facilities save for zoning regulations which is a municiple issue.

Considering that Cayuga is barely an hour away, Mosport about the same, and a number of small stock car tracks in the region, there is no shortage of legal places to race. For these guys who are out on the streets, at least part of the thrill is the lawbreaking aspect. If you flout the law and get caught - NO SYMPATHY - I don't care if you put $20 000 into your car.

I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people, and not placed in the hands of an ornery cop who's pissed because he didn't make the monthly quota of traffic tickets.

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Originally posted by nacarter I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people, and not placed in the hands of an ornery cop who's pissed because he didn't make the monthly quota of traffic tickets.

It will a part of the Criminal Code, not a stand alone Street Racing Act.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I get Shotgun!

Sweet! I'll take back seat behind the driver

Lest we forget that Cameron Frye announced the end of the age of cars in 1990

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Originally posted by nacarter Considering that Cayuga is barely an hour away, Mosport about the same, and a number of small stock car tracks in the region, there is no shortage of legal places to race. .

The current law is just fine. This is nothing but a waste of time. its HARDLY an issue...33 deaths in the last 6 years from "supposedly" street racing...yet they want to put this on par with drinking and driving. what a joke. It wont even stop the "issue".

Whats needed is better driver training and education! Im so sick and tired of the media hype around this crap. fucking lame.


oh noes, you have a 140 whp civic... you were driving a 120 next to another car doing 120...rAcInG!!!1!11o1ne!!! you now have a criminal record.

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Originally posted by nacarter I can understand why the government didn't write this bill into the existing traffic acts. Tough sanctions for street racing run the risk of jacking up the penalties for plain everyday speeding. In this case, it's better off as separate legislation, so that it can be targetted at the right people...

and who are the right people? some kids in "tuner" cars? gimme a break. If you think that you obviously dont drive much nor have you seen the news lately. A vette crashed on the 427 the other night... a few weeks ago in sauga 2 high end cars(Porsche and Merc) were racing, one crashed. Those 2 kids in their rents Mercs etc. The ones who crash are typically kids in their rents vehicles OR everyone else in whatever car. It doesnt matter what you drive. All these video clips the news plays of people doing organized racing have had no deaths in this province(and most likely the country ever).
Its the impromtu light to light runs that sometimes involve a crash.

and those encounters happens EVERYDAY , ALLDAY, by EVERY kind of driver.

You are more at risk to get in an accident while on the phone or get hit by someone on the phone then some street race. Its just because it can develop some good hype and make "good " news that this is getting attention like it is. Completel bs

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard This leads me to another question for Jay, what good are assurances that facilities could/would be built of no one has the motivation to build them? Moreover, are they necessary? I highly doubt there is any existing legislation that forbids the building of such facilities save for zoning regulations which is a municiple issue.

you know howmany times people have tried to go through with building a drag strp in and around the city... many times. The money is there! Its other shit like zoning, noise , insurance etc that has put a hault to it... Why take money away from the police? they need to make their quota.


oh, and Id like to say...

If you think Street racing (how they portray on the news)is some super problem(epidemic)
YOU ARE A MORON

So whats to stop the cops once this bill is in place seizing every performance car (or any car for that matter) that they catch exceeding the speed limit and accusing the driver of "street racing" . Who will put controls in place It a certainty that this law will be abused at some point.

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