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Ableton Live Warp

Hi guys,

Im learning Ableton now.. and i really hate the tutorial & manual which only teach you half way...

Is tiring to Warp a track.. it took me 1/2 hour...

so im asking.. do i need to warp the whole track.. or just the intro outro? thnx!

it's better to warp the whole track...because once you might be in situation that you want to mix out of the track after the breakdown or something and what then? You won't have it warped there so it will fuck up your mix...easy...

and btw...warping tracks will be easier for you later, it takes practice

Yes, warping will go faster and easier for you down the road.. Just dump the markers on the attack transients of the kick drum and def. do the whole song

You don't need to do the whole track if it's EDM (most dance music is in one tempo and is exactly on beat all the way thru, unless you're recording off vinyl). Are you using Live 5? Live 5 works out the warp markers for you, except it never places the one exactly on one. So all you do is place the 1st marker on one, then check if the beat line is exactly on the beat on bar 5, zoom in and check if it's exact. If it's slightly out, just grab the beat marker and move it on. Don't double click for a warp marker, just grab it and move it. Then go to the end of your track, i.e. the last few beats and check if that marker is exactly on the beat, if not then grab it and drag it on and voila, your track is warped correctly. Click the save button, next to the track wave window, so that it's saved for every time you load it into a set. Easy as pie!

Yeah what Jahnlay said. It should take about 30 seconds.

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Originally posted by jahnlay Don't double click for a warp marker

Whats your reasoning for not double clickoing for a warp marker?

Because if you double click and add a warp marker then only the part that is included in that warp markers area will move when you adjust it. BUt you need to move all of the tracks markers if the beats are right and the markers aren't exactly on. Only time you need warp markers is if the timing has drifted out of time and you want to pull it back, i.e. you recorded off vinyl and the timing drifts slightly, or it's a live band recording and they drift off time.

Also, use repitch as your time-stretch option for your track as it gives a better sound, it has less audio artefacts than complex or any of the other algorithms (only problem is you can't transpose if you're using repitch).

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Originally posted by jahnlay Also, use repitch as your time-stretch option for your track as it gives a better sound, it has less audio artefacts than complex or any of the other algorithms (only problem is you can't transpose if you're using repitch).

Never knew that thanks for the tip!

I wouldn't use repitch for just one reason...

when you use repitch it works like on turntables...speed of tune playback affects key...

so the key changes when you change bpm about 6%...now the trick part...on TTs you usually see in percents, but it can be quite hard to calculate with when playing an ableton set...and one more thing you can't transpose...

so repitch is quite useless for those who mix harmonically...

my 2 cents

All depends how much you're changing the tempo of the track. Most times the harmonic mixing will still work, plus the difference in sound in the hi hats compared to Complex is well worth it, it makes a huge difference.

you won't notice the difference when mixing in club...and well why to exclude yourself from playing tracks at let's say 142 bpm, when your master tempo in Live is let's say 133?

and actually...no, i don't hear any artefacts as you call it, maybe it's just some bad settings on your side?

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Originally posted by BOOsTER I wouldn't use repitch for just one reason... when you use repitch it works like on turntables...speed of tune playback affects key... so the key changes when you change bpm about 6%...now the trick part...on TTs you usually see in percents, but it can be quite hard to calculate with when playing an ableton set...and one more thing you can't transpose... so repitch is quite useless for those who mix harmonically... my 2 cents

My 2 cents coming from someone who is used to mixing harmonically with vinyl is that repitch is awesome because it works the same way I'm used to working with vinyl.

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Originally posted by jahnlay You don't need to do the whole track if it's EDM (most dance music is in one tempo and is exactly on beat all the way thru, unless you're recording off vinyl). Are you using Live 5? Live 5 works out the warp markers for you, except it never places the one exactly on one. So all you do is place the 1st marker on one, then check if the beat line is exactly on the beat on bar 5, zoom in and check if it's exact. If it's slightly out, just grab the beat marker and move it on. Don't double click for a warp marker, just grab it and move it. Then go to the end of your track, i.e. the last few beats and check if that marker is exactly on the beat, if not then grab it and drag it on and voila, your track is warped correctly. Click the save button, next to the track wave window, so that it's saved for every time you load it into a set. Easy as pie!

Sadly, that's only true if there is no big delay on the track. After using it for a few years, live recorded tracks will almost never match up. Tracks produced with mostly hardware will almost always drift. You can always tell who produces all from the computer because their tempo never drifts.

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and actually...no, i don't hear any artefacts as you call it, maybe it's just some bad settings on your side?

Dude, you really should listen closer, it's quite easy to hear what the Complex algorithm does to the top end, it's also well documented by many people on the Ableton Forums. By the way, I'm not saying you have to use it, just telling you that repitch sounds better!

do you hear it on crappy club PAs?
that's what matters more at least to me :-)

actually a club PA is very forgiving...to trainwrecks and to bad sound comming in :-)

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