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Posted by Benjamin DuBose on Jun-19-2006 17:30:

Masters tempo

how many of yall use this. i mean the part where the pitch does not change on cd player.


Posted by SVGmethod on Jun-19-2006 17:42:

Re: Masters tempo

quote:
Originally posted by Benjamin_D
how many of yall use this. i mean the part where the pitch does not change on cd player.


its very useful up until 3%. If you go beyond that, the song will begin to sound a bit 'cluttered'.


Posted by Pinokio on Jun-19-2006 18:18:

Re: Re: Masters tempo

quote:
Originally posted by SVGmethod
its very useful up until 3%. If you go beyond that, the song will begin to sound a bit 'cluttered'.


Taht's True, I always use the master tempo,but never go beyond 3 %, if youplan to mix with this feature you better get the bpm of your records, so you know you will not go over 3 %


Posted by ieko on Jun-19-2006 20:05:

I've found that it really depends on the track on how far you can go. I have some tunes where going past 1% makes it sound really bad. Though if you're in the 1% range you don't really need to be using it. I've also got some tracks where using it up to 6% isn't that bad at all.


Posted by SVGmethod on Jun-19-2006 20:28:

quote:
Originally posted by ieko
I've found that it really depends on the track on how far you can go. I have some tunes where going past 1% makes it sound really bad. Though if you're in the 1% range you don't really need to be using it. I've also got some tracks where using it up to 6% isn't that bad at all.


rule of thumb is to not go above 3% with vocal tracks.


Posted by miamitranceman on Jun-19-2006 21:12:

quote:
Originally posted by SVGmethod
rule of thumb is to not go above 3% with vocal tracks.




It really just depends track by track though. For example...PVD sped up Santiago Nino - Believe (Max Graham Remix) like crazy on TPOD2 and it sounds so much better than the track at the original speed.


Posted by SVGmethod on Jun-19-2006 21:19:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
It really just depends track by track though. For example...PVD sped up Santiago Nino - Believe (Max Graham Remix) like crazy on TPOD2 and it sounds so much better than the track at the original speed.


theres not much going on with the vocal tho in that song anyways. But say you tried to speed up Jase From Outta Space - Do what you want (Infusion's Sky Mix) the same way....it would sound like shi+


Posted by idoru on Jun-19-2006 22:06:

I never use it. I see no need to.


Posted by miamitranceman on Jun-19-2006 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by SVGmethod
theres not much going on with the vocal tho in that song anyways. But say you tried to speed up Jase From Outta Space - Do what you want (Infusion's Sky Mix) the same way....it would sound like shi+



True


Posted by Clovis on Jun-19-2006 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
It really just depends track by track though. For example...PVD sped up Santiago Nino - Believe (Max Graham Remix) like crazy on TPOD2 and it sounds so much better than the track at the original speed.



Ableton has a different master tempo system than CDJs


Posted by djthunderbird on Jun-20-2006 09:29:

abletons timestretch algorithms are the worst ever! Ive had occurances where only 0.02% pitch shift would cause pretty audible artifacts.

Timestretch (master tempo) on cdj's is OK until 6% beyond that its useless. Actually the artifacts seem to come out only if the stretched track is 4/4. While playing breaks the artifacts are not that noticable.

and now to the hands down winner of all timestretch algorithms: Cubase Advanced Algorithm - You can stretch your tracks +-15% without audible artifacts with this one. Stretching Jasefos - Do What You Want (Infusion Mix) to 130bpm is not a problem with that one.


Posted by SVGmethod on Jun-20-2006 12:46:

quote:
Originally posted by djthunderbird
abletons timestretch algorithms are the worst ever! Ive had occurances where only 0.02% pitch shift would cause pretty audible artifacts.

Timestretch (master tempo) on cdj's is OK until 6% beyond that its useless. Actually the artifacts seem to come out only if the stretched track is 4/4. While playing breaks the artifacts are not that noticable.

and now to the hands down winner of all timestretch algorithms: Cubase Advanced Algorithm - You can stretch your tracks +-15% without audible artifacts with this one. Stretching Jasefos - Do What You Want (Infusion Mix) to 130bpm is not a problem with that one.


do me a favor and time stretch the original version of Snoop Dogg's "Drop it like its hot" to make it 130bpm. I wanna lay it over Tomas Andersson - Washing up (Tiga Remix)


Posted by djthunderbird on Jun-21-2006 19:38:

quote:
Originally posted by SVGmethod
do me a favor and time stretch the original version of Snoop Dogg's "Drop it like its hot" to make it 130bpm. I wanna lay it over Tomas Andersson - Washing up (Tiga Remix)


stretching a 91 bpm track to 130bpm = 30 % difference

cubase handled it transparently:

link (will be up for a couple of days)


Posted by SVGmethod on Jun-21-2006 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by djthunderbird
stretching a 91 bpm track to 130bpm = 30 % difference

cubase handled it transparently:

link (will be up for a couple of days)


thanks a ton. i am dl'ing now.


Posted by klappa on Jun-25-2006 00:19:

Snoop Dogg's "Drop it like its hot" thanks for that one m8.

Im gonna use it as a intro in my next trance set when i playing out.



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