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Vinyl releases have usually gone through extensive quality control, mp3 releases sadly lack that quality control these days

Mp3 doesn't count as a release to me.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Mp3 doesn't count as a release to me.

Agreed. I just wish Vinyl was cheaper to produce!! C'mon people, call out the cheap pressing plants!

quality control lacks in a lot of mp3 only labels, yes. but there is a great deal more good than there is bad.

mp3 labels allow music that is not commercially viable to be released for the minorities that want it as well as make the commercially viable stuff even easier to get hold of.

it is very trye that labels get less respect if they start up as a digital only label. a label that originally used vinyl as a medium and then changes to mp3 holds more respect and prestige than a fully gigital one.

vinyl was great but now its dated. it takes too long to release a track on vinyl now we know the speeds that we can to digital imo.

im pending a release with my mate on vinyl and the process takes ages. im bored of the tracks before they are even pressed!

also with vinyl most of the money you pay goes on manufacture/distribution. the chain is a lot shorter with digital so you can get hold of music for much better value imo.

i love digital now.. wouldnt have looked at it 12 months ago..

mp3 loses the fun and joy in collecting, buying and listening to music.'

having a vinyl or CD release is having a "real" release.. if i would ever be signed to a digital label, i wouldnt even tell my friends.

if a digital label can get my tracks caned by big name dj's that's fine by me. And support can well lead to a licencing deal, so you can get to vinyl through a good mp3 release.

Vinyls are horrible... They were fun 5 years ago but things have changed especially making and releasing music soo I say keep your vinyls tucked away to show your friends how cool you are... or you can make cool cup holders haha

either way, vinyls will not last much longer...

Digital releases offer a lot of new perspectives, they're cheap compared to vinyls, for me personally it is about the music (allthough I must admit having a vinyl with your own stuff on it is darn cool :P), not the medium. The quality of the release is subjective, however there are digital labels out there which release better tracks than some labels which release vinyls.

wait, didn't we have this discussion like 20 years ago but then about cd's?


vinyl has been " dying" for the past 20 years

A friend once told me that you cross the line from amateur to professional when you can hold one of your tracks on wax.

How long this will remain true, who knows. Even big labels like Alter Ego now have a "Digital Release" part of the label.

you'll always have the knuckleheads that will stay with vinyl, I totally understand that. But as the costs are running up and income is going down labels will soon have no other options than releasing digital primarily. Except for the really big ones. Actually this kind of already happened in the past 2 years.

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Originally posted by Storyteller you'll always have the knuckleheads that will stay with vinyl, I totally understand that. But as the costs are running up and income is going down labels will soon have no other options than releasing digital primarily. Except for the really big ones. Actually this kind of already happened in the past 2 years.

So CD is not even an option?

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Originally posted by Pjotr G if a digital label can get my tracks caned by big name dj's that's fine by me. And support can well lead to a licencing deal, so you can get to vinyl through a good mp3 release.

ill agree with that, the key is getting signed to a good label that has the avenues to make that happen!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So CD is not even an option?

Of course it is, however why not cut the distribution costs (which vinyl and cd have) as well when you have the chance to do so. Me personally, I'm more than happy buying music online and burning it myself.

Digital releases cost almost zero, as vinyl and/or cd releases will at least cost you a few 100 bucks. These hundreds often can't be missed, especially for smaller labels.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Of course it is, however why not cut the distribution costs (which vinyl and cd have) as well when you have the chance to do so. Me personally, I'm more than happy buying music online and burning it myself. Digital releases cost almost zero, as vinyl and/or cd releases will at least cost you a few 100 bucks. These hundreds often can't be missed, especially for smaller labels.

No thanks, I just won't pay for inferior quality files. Wav or lossless compression might do but you just can't compare mp3 with the other options. It's not all about the money - I'd actually rather pay more than get an mp3.

You sound very anti cd....

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Originally posted by dj_palm everyones saying vinyl is dying. thats not true. cd players will die and be replaced by laptops. but the people that still thinks copmuter is geeky will have to continue use vinyl and since cd players will die theres no other option for those "cool" guys than vinyl. so i guess vinyl will actualy rais a bit but not yet. first cd will have to die.

That's the biggest load of rubbish I've heard in a while. CD players will die? Please

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery No thanks, I just won't pay for inferior quality files. Wav or lossless compression might do but you just can't compare mp3 with the other options. It's not all about the money - I'd actually rather pay more than get an mp3.

Then you should take a closer look at nearly every dj-related webstore . Quite a few offer WAV as well. MP3 release as the topic title mentioned should be replaced by digital release imo.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Then you should take a closer look at nearly every dj-related webstore . Quite a few offer WAV as well. MP3 release as the topic title mentioned should be replaced by digital release imo.

I know. I guess I'm just old skool though since I want the whole package (covers etc.) and not just the tune. Of course I could do wav if the track I was after wasn't available in any other format.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery No thanks, I just won't pay for inferior quality files. Wav or lossless compression might do but you just can't compare mp3 with the other options. It's not all about the money - I'd actually rather pay more than get an mp3.

Can you actually tell the difference between a WAV and a high quality MP3 (say 192 Kbps or higher)?

If so, you are the man!! Isn't CD normally 160 Kbps?

I was actually surprised that songs were still being released on vinyl. I rarely go to music stores and buy music. I have been buying CDs and MP3s/iTunes online for years now. The CDs I do buy at physical locations are at places like Wal-Mart, etc Maybe they have vinyl there; I have never noticed.

It's so odd. I must have been living in the dark. My high school years were in the late 80s/early 90s. Even then, CDs were dominating.

Excuse me, but this vinyl thing is just blowing my mind I know it stems from a lack of knowledge. I just assumed they were dead.

Growing up, I remember 8-track tapes. Then it was cassette tapes. Then it was CDs. Now, it's MP3s, etc. Vinyl predates all of them. One thing that I remember about vinyl was that distinctive hissing noise coming from them. Perhaps that was just due to a bad player or record.

What's scary to me is to think that my son will never know what a cassette tape is. I've been watching old episodes of X-Files lately, and they use cassette tapes and those huge spinning tape reels for recording within the episodes - for various reasons. Wow, how times have changed.

Okay, I have rambled enough.

Take care,
Adam

i think cd is somewhere along the lines of 1000kbps.. similar to wav. you wont tell the difference between a 256k mp3 and a wav/cd on a hi fi. but on a big rig i think there is a slight difference. 192's are easy to notice imo.

vinyl has been used for ages because it was able to be adjusted 'tempo wise', a lot easier and cheaper than with cd players. so a dj could beat match. now cd players are so high tech they can mimic a technics turntable very well for mixing..

the yinyl you remember cracking was probably old and not looked after. a well looked after vinyl will start to crackle (unless hidden away in a static proof location) but i think the slight crackle adds to the warmth and down to earth feel of vinyl.

i have to agree with mr mystery. its such a shame we dont get any packaging or a bit of documentation with mp3 music nowadays. its nice to read through the 'blurb' of the artist. brows a few promotional shots and read their dedications when you buy a new album.

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Originally posted by dj_palm why? what can it do that laptops cannot?

For one, they are much easier to carry around than a laptop. A laptop can also play iTunes or MP3s. I don't see people carrying around a laptop to listen to them. That's why there is the iPod and MP3 players.

Technically, you are correct; however, in reality, there are visible limitations to using a laptop as a CD player. It's fine if you are at your desk and want to listen to tunes. But, what if you want to go camping/hiking or even excercising?

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Originally posted by dj_palm well i wasnt taking about using the laptop as a cd player. i was talking about using it to mix mp3s at clubs.

My apologies. I misunderstood. You are right. A laptop would probably be better than just a CD player. I would imagine software could be written on the laptop to do to the CD anything you wanted.

i dont see the point of this debate

they will all be in use now and in 10 years time

vinyl is too cool for school so will always be used

CDJ players have loads of great tools, and CD's are so instated they will never go away (look at the 1/4 inch floppy)

MP3's are so quick and easy to make and use they will always be used, until they are superseeded by a better compression algorithm (but will probably never vanish)


I think its more important to start thinking of new media's and technologies. I want to see MP3 DVD players, and then MP3 Blue Ray players. 50GB of MP3's per disk would lovely - and then with the same control surfaces as you get with top end CDJ players - that would be ultimate.

and then a mixer with Ableton built in would also be good....

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