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Posted by crazedonee on Jun-29-2006 21:35:

using one synth only!

Ive noticed a lot of producers on this forum use many different synths. to create one track or a 16 bar loop.

is it necessary to have a synth for each layer in your arsenal

for example:

pro 53 for pads
pro 53 for leads

v-station for bass
rebirth for acid
absynth for atmosphere and weird fx
moog modular for more fx and textures
vanguard for arps
superwave for an accompany arp
fm7 for your main riff
albino for pads
battery or redrum for your percussion

and so forth

or you could take this even further

like so v-station for techno
albino for trance
pro 53 for dream and progressive
moog for psych
absynth for chillout
bassline for breakbeats and drum n bass

and so forth

or does it make more sense to have one virtual analog soft synth(that can do it all)

from leads,soft to grungy and dirty ,to pluck leads ,distored leads,
to supersaw in your face leads to pads and bass etc.

so i guess what im getting at it is fun to use many different synths to make your tune , but isn't it a lot easier to have one synth that does it all for any styles and changing trends?

Posted by Derivative on Jun-29-2006 23:21:

There is stuff the Virus just cant do but you can make an unbelievable number of sounds on it. Then again, you can make an unbelievable number of sounds on alot of modern VA synths.

Its nice to have alot of toys to play with, but if you really focused on getting the most out of your isntrument, you can build whole songs, whole albums with just the one synth.

At the end o the day, you dont need more than 1 instrument really. Having more is just more potential to create sounds which you absolutely cannot on the one you have (due to technical limitations). But those are very specific and in the case of the Virus there really isnt very many of them.

Posted by LENG on Jun-30-2006 00:25:

i don't have much experience in making full length tracks lately, have been making more clips than ever... but to wat i experienced, each synth would have a that distinct sound that good ears would know it's from that particular synth (not all the times though)... cuz it's done by the same person, you yourself. so, what would i do is i'll try to make several sounds from different synths and try to incorporate them.. some sound good together and some don't. i suppose it's my personal limited knowledge that i wasn't able to make different sounds from the same synth, so... it's possible though. i've heard some nice sounds from v-station, i'd recommend that.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Jun-30-2006 00:39:

i could in theory make all my tunes out of a v station

lead: v station
pads: v station
bass: v station

drums and shit would have to be sampled but i consider drums a different game from lead, pads and bass

Posted by hey cheggy on Jun-30-2006 03:53:

I've made some tracks using soley Atmosphere. Got to be the nicest sounding VSTi around. Except for the percussion that is, but pads, leads, basslines can all come from it.

Usually I use a combo of the Virus, Atmosphere and ABL. They'd be my mainstay synths.

Posted by Lindo on Jun-30-2006 08:40:

I second KillaDJ's post...that v-station can do almost anything if used correctly. I prefer albino or z3ta though for some things.

Posted by LENG on Jun-30-2006 08:50:

killadj, how do you make pads? i haven't make any pad sounds before... any pointers for me to making one? i like those bigroom trance pad... something like supersawish...

Posted by Dj Cola on Jun-30-2006 09:16:

where is sytrus? its a great synth dudes

Posted by Dj_Es-Dva on Jun-30-2006 09:35:

was going to say sytrus, i use it for basically everything....sometimes il use a boobass for the low basss but other wise sytrus does it all imo

Posted by Derivative on Jun-30-2006 10:10:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
its better to have a few that u realy know well than havin all this shitty vsts that u have no clue what to do with.

Word. Every producer should tatoo this on their forehead so when they look in the mirror in the morning they know not to succumb to G.A.S today.

Posted by adamtrance on Jun-30-2006 11:34:

quote:
Originally posted by LENG
killadj, how do you make pads? i haven't make any pad sounds before... any pointers for me to making one? i like those bigroom trance pad... something like supersawish...

Haha, check my V-Station soundbank. It does everything from A to Z
It usually replaces most of the synths in my productions. I can say that my productions consist of 60% v-station.

http://www.trancecreator.com/adam/a...Preset_Demo.mp3

Posted by KilldaDJ on Jun-30-2006 12:05:

i cheat and just fiddle my lead patch to sound like a pad by adding some atk and more release

maybe kill off a sawtooth and add a sine or something for the sub-part of the pad

i dunno, its all in the sound

just fucking tweak it out til it sounds right man

Posted by LENG on Jun-30-2006 12:10:

adam: wow... that's some crazy patches in that clip!
killa: thanks for the tips... i've tried those as well i guess i'm doing the correct way just that i haven't get the sound i've been looking for yet

Posted by LENG on Jun-30-2006 16:14:

i'm trying on the pad... but i'm having this problem when i'm opening up the env, the pad sounds choppy...

anyone can help? what's the cause?

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edit: choppy sound started at 0:06 to 0:09

Posted by crazedonee on Jun-30-2006 21:41:

hey guys i actually have some if not all the synths you guys mentioned except for the virus.

just need a bit more time and effort with them. so i can use them to there full potemtial

maybe it would be a good idea to just narrow down to maybe 3 or 4 like derivative said cause i dont se the point and all the fuss in having 10 synths when you could do well with just a few

thanks derivative

Posted by Dj Cola on Jul-01-2006 10:39:

well i like using 3 synths more then others and thats wasp xt, v-station and sytrus.
i think those synths are good for what i use em for but well, im not to familiar with them right now ^^.
so if i made a sounds demo ppl would problably laugh .

Posted by Derivative on Jul-01-2006 17:46:

I do everything on 3 synths. impOSCar for analogue type sounds. AR Bassline for 303 type stuff. Virus for everything else.

Not ruling out the need for other synths. I have very little in the way of digital FM and those timbres are lacking in my tunes. I'd like to get a Future Retro Revolution and phase out Bassline eventually with a real analogue 303 substitute.

But less is more. Even if you have a tonne of synths I recommend just for a couple of months, only using 1 or 2 of them. Try building a whole song out of just AR Bassline. Its easily possible. Then you start to realise just what you can do with 1 voice, 4 octaves, 1 oscillator, a 3 pole filter and a basic step sequencer.

Also, unless you can play a synth to the standard of this man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_js...rch=synthesizer

Whats the point of having a tonne of instruments if you cant even play one of them with this kind of quality and expression?

Posted by wrzonance on Jul-01-2006 19:24:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
its better to have a few that u realy know well than havin all this shitty vsts that u have no clue what to do with.

word mr palm