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Smoking ban killing business owners say

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Ive personally seen a lot less traffic in the entertainment district in Toronto since May 31 myself. I cant imagine what its like for windsor.

Who wants to travel to a place only to be told that you cant do things that you enjoy?

Perhaps this is why tourism in Toronto is hurting? Its at an all time low. Meanwhile American tourism to Europe has never been better despite the high Euro.

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Smoking ban burns Windsor bingo parlours Updated Mon. Jun. 26 2006 11:29 PM ET Canadian Press WINDSOR, Ont. -- Nearly a month into Ontario's smoking ban, Windsor bingo hall operators say many Michigan customers are staying home. Business has dropped so much at some bingo parlours that owners are considering layoffs and at least one may close its doors, according to a report Monday in The Detroit News. "We haven't laid anybody off yet, but we cut our work hours in half,'' said Candice Lagace, a bookkeeper at Paradise Bingo Hall. "We're all struggling. It looks like layoffs are imminent.'' Bingo parlour operators predicted a drop in customers when Ontario enacted a ban on smoking in all public buildings on May 31. No specific figures are available on just how many fewer Michigan customers are visiting the bingo halls, but owners contend it's a substantial number. CBC Bingo Group has experienced a five-per-cent drop in overall business, but as much as 15 per cent at some facilities, said John Fairley, vice-president of marketing. There have not been any layoffs yet, but Fairley said the company will evaluate the situation at the end of the month. Windsor's bingo industry employs 400 workers at seven parlours and is worth an estimated $28 million a year. Nearly half of Windsor's bingo customers are Americans. Casino Windsor is also feeling the pinch. "There are fewer people, but it's too early to assess how much of an impact,'' said Teresa Roncon, a spokeswoman for the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. in Toronto. About 80 per cent of Casino Windsor's customers hail from across the border, she said. Holly Ward, a Casino Windsor spokeswoman, said no workers have been laid off, but the situation will be assessed in a few weeks.

there is no way you can attribute the traffic decrease in the district solely to a smoking ban. come on.

people like to smoke but they like to party way more. there are any number of other factors that could cause fewer people to go partying downtown.

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Originally posted by Skipper there is no way you can attribute the traffic decrease in the district solely to a smoking ban. come on. people like to smoke but they like to party way more. there are any number of other factors that could cause fewer people to go partying downtown.

Since June 1??

come on!

I among other people have seen a very marked difference in a very short time.

I bet buisness levels are back to where they were before the michigan smoking ban.(in the bingo parlour case)

YA RLY.
way to fucking finish off whatever tourism we had left in Toronto.

SARS - obviously can't control

Smoking? YES.

Seriously, where are Toronto's priorities?
[not literally]

Have you considered that there are less Amercian tourists due to our stong dollar?

Tourism in Europe maybe at an all time high this year due to the world cup.
Unless bingo is only open to members who smoke, then taking the smoking ban as being the sole factor in loss of revenue can be misleading.

But why since June 1?

Why is there such a direct correlation?

Do you really think its a coincidence?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But why since June 1? Why is there such a direct correlation? Do you really think its a coincidence?

when did our dollar start to gain alot of strength against theirs? Oh right, that was the very start of june.

and june 9 is when WC started.


Besides, What does tourism in Toronto offer? Theater? go to NY. Shopping, oh wait, dollor is strong, stay in US.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Since June 1?? come on! I among other people have seen a very marked difference in a very short time.

Typically, there are less students in the area come June and there are more people leaving the city to goto cottage country come June. There may be a very small percentage of the drop related to the smoking by-law.

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Originally posted by j_spot when did our dollar start to gain alot of strength against theirs? Oh right, that was the very start of june.

HUH??? June 2003 maybe!!

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and june 9 is when WC started.

shouldnt that be bringing more people out??

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Besides, What does tourism in Toronto offer? Theater? go to NY. Shopping, oh wait, dollor is strong, stay in US.

Used to offer a lot more before the government stepped in with all its silly rules. Smoking just being one of them.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Typically, there are less students in the area come June and there are more people leaving the city to goto cottage country come June. There may be a very small percentage of the drop related to the smoking by-law.

we will see in the fall then! I just find it highly suspect that richmond st was suddenly a lot quieter once the ban came in. Anyone who doesnt think the ban affects business clearly doesnt know business

I wonder what is the percentage of tourists based on their ethnicity coming to Canada.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But why since June 1? Why is there such a direct correlation? Do you really think its a coincidence?

Don't forget you are also tempted to look for that drop. You may have never noticed the drop in years past, even though I am certain it occurred when students return home and people start to travel. This year, you have a reason to try and notice it...the smoking ban.

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Originally posted by alefort Don't forget you are also tempted to look for that drop. You may have never noticed the drop in years past, even though I am certain it occurred when students return home and people start to travel. This year, you have a reason to try and notice it...the smoking ban.

Exactly.

Jay, your logic on this confuses me. You say "if you don't smoke, then don't go to these places", but it's different when it is "if you smoke, then don't go to these places, or go outside and have your cigarette and then come back in."

This is a much more fair alternative to the problem. Smokers at least can enjoy the environment, and wah wah they have to go outside to have their cigarette. The other way around, you are banning a group of people to come in at all, or pretty much saying "if you want to enjoy these things, suck it up and breathe in the toxic emissions from smokers."

I seriously don't see how you truly believe that it is more fair to allow smokers in enclosed places.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 HUH??? June 2003 maybe!! shouldnt that be bringing more people out?? Used to offer a lot more before the government stepped in with all its silly rules. Smoking just being one of them.

http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/trends.php?pair=CADUSD&type=tr

Look @ the graph (and its projections)

where does june 06 sit? HIGHEST SPIKE ON THE CHART! nearly .10 higher than 1 year earlier.

As for the WC and more people coming out. You wouldnt see them on the streets. Games are 7am and 11am your time. Which means that most places arent open. And those that are will be the ethnic places where their respective community will gather, and @ that time sales will be slow. mostly coffee.

And please tell me what Tourism in Toronto is? I still dont see it. Ontario has muskoka and cottage country, Toronto proper has dick that Americans can't find @ home.

Oh wait, the CN tower. lolz.

And what has the government removed from toronto tourism? You say smoking, but if you think a smoking venue is a reason to travel somewhere, then your view on travel is seriously fucked. Tho I guess people do travel to Amsterdam for the pot and hookers, but those are illegal everywhere in other countries, not just in public spaces.

I just dont buy that the downturn you say exists and buisness owners claim exist is because of a anti smoking bylaw. By your reasoning, Calgary should be booming with tourism now because were ass backwards and allow smoking ONLY indoors where minors can not be present and not on patios.

those of you who think that this ban has no effect on business, just wait until winter.

But it's not killing me finally

Even if there is a downturn in traffic due to the smoking ban, it is short term. For some reason smoking advocates seem to think that because smokers can't light up at the club that they're going to stay home for the rest of their lives with a cigarette machine and .38 special in case the cops show up.

After a month or two they'll come back.

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Originally posted by j_spot http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/trends.php?pair=CADUSD&type=tr Look @ the graph (and its projections) where does june 06 sit? HIGHEST SPIKE ON THE CHART! nearly .10 higher than 1 year earlier.

but since june 2006 its the same. And im talking about what has happened since june 1. Even if you look at may its only a 3 cent jump. Big deal!

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As for the WC and more people coming out. You wouldnt see them on the streets. Games are 7am and 11am your time. Which means that most places arent open. And those that are will be the ethnic places where their respective community will gather, and @ that time sales will be slow. mostly coffee.

great then why arent they out at night then? If the world cup is during the day?

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And please tell me what Tourism in Toronto is? I still dont see it. Ontario has muskoka and cottage country, Toronto proper has dick that Americans can't find @ home.

yes you are right.... these days.

We used to have good theatre, festivals, raves, etc that were huge tourist draws. Im not saying smoking bans are the cause of all our tourist woes, but it certainly doesnt help. And it has certainly affected the nightlife industry in toronto. I have absolutely no doubt about that.

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And what has the government removed from toronto tourism?

festivals raves and smoking to name a few. not to mention letting the homeless problem fester.

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You say smoking, but if you think a smoking venue is a reason to travel somewhere, then your view on travel is seriously fucked. Tho I guess people do travel to Amsterdam for the pot and hookers, but those are illegal everywhere in other countries, not just in public spaces.

it just adds to the over all impression. People arent going to return somewhere that they didnt have a good time in. And why is Amsterdam such a huge draw? Because they have fewer lifestyle restriction laws than everyone else. To a lesser extent, in the 90s toronto was like that compared to the US. Americans used to come here because our laws were less strict. Sadly that has changed drastically in recent years.

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I just dont buy that the downturn you say exists and buisness owners claim exist is because of a anti smoking bylaw. By your reasoning, Calgary should be booming with tourism now because were ass backwards and allow smoking ONLY indoors where minors can not be present and not on patios.

So you make all these assertions from calgary... Thats interesting that you are such an authority on nightlife in toronto when you dont live here and i assume you dont work in nightlife.

So, let me tell you about the cow vs stetson ratio in calgary.....

LOL

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Originally posted by nacarter Even if there is a downturn in traffic due to the smoking ban, it is short term. For some reason smoking advocates seem to think that because smokers can't light up at the club that they're going to stay home for the rest of their lives with a cigarette machine and .38 special in case the cops show up. After a month or two they'll come back.

the downturn after the first smoking law never rebounded... and this has just made it worse.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So you make all these assertions from calgary... Thats interesting that you are such an authority on nightlife in toronto when you dont live here and i assume you dont work in nightlife.

I moved back to calgary 4 months ago from toronto.
I did work in nightlife before, but dont anymore.

so you havnt been in a toronto nightclub for at least 4 months or more, right?

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