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There've been a lot of threads about "real trance" recently...

...So here is some. Enjoy.

haha, this has got to be the most dull music video I've ever seen

Track was ok though.

Pure Trance. 1988.

Like trance music itself....the music and the imagery is insisting on a persistence of state....Bill and Jimmy had always wanted to make a "road movie"..a traveling movie, a movie consisting of nothing but driving, all day, from sunset to sundown, done in real time (or close to it), as when one goes on a roadtrip, that is often all one does all day long....is just keep driving...and driving...and driving...

The White Room movie is an extension of this mood, this ambience, this tranquil state. Alone to yourself, nothing to say, nothing to think....just driving...endlessly....in a state of trane.

Drummond and Cauty are shown leaving Trancentral, and driving through London, then driving through mainly desert country. Some memorable scenes include the JAMs-mobile covered in white dustwash, with the windscreen wipers clearing a space, Drummond combing his hair before sauntering down the road as if he was a traffic cop...Finally the wheels of the JAMs-mobile stop in a snow drift, and the KLF climb upwards through the snow towards a huge radar dish, wherein they find the White Room.

A video for the pure trance What Time Is Love is sometimes shown on MTV. It consists of unedited footage from Sierra Nevada. Two shots of sheep in a field bookended a 5 minute shot of the JAMs-mobile gradually driving a couple of miles towards the camera across a barren plain. It's extremely tedious, and getting MTV to show this can be viewed as a prank....

Nevertheless, for the purposes of the mood it conveyed, and the trance music it was introducing to the world at the time, for its purity and simplicity, this may very well be the best video ever made.

Ass-Whooping song, disturbing video, kthxbye.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Pure Trance. 1988. Best video ever.

Even a stopped clock...

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Originally posted by Aquarian haha, this has got to be the most dull music video I've ever seen

The video is trance.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The video is trance.

I get your point, but I still find it dull. You can achieve this concept while having something a little more interesting than a bunch of sheep for five minutes. Something like this.

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Originally posted by Aquarian I get your point, but I still find it dull. You can achieve this concept while having something a little more interesting than a bunch of sheep for five minutes. Something like this.

Oh come on. I've seen a billion videos like that from the rave era, and even a track as good as Papua doesn't save it from being derivative crap. WTIL is total anti-video: no stupid cheap visuals trying to visualise E or anything daft like that. Just some sheep and a road. It's mesmirising. Plus I can't drive down a long road anymore without humming it, where as I can't remember any defining image from the Papua video and I've seen it sixteen thousand times.

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Originally posted by Aquarian I get your point, but I still find it dull. You can achieve this concept while having something a little more interesting than a bunch of sheep for five minutes. Something like this.

that's not trance.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J WTIL is total anti-video: no stupid cheap visuals trying to visualise E or anything daft like that. Just some sheep and a road. It's mesmirising.

But then, so is staring at a wall for five minutes. And just as interesting too! If you're going to have a video like that, then why bother have a video at all?

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where as I can't remember any defining image from the Papua video and I've seen it sixteen thousand times.

Maybe that was the point of it?

I thought the music and the video was boring. Although I do agree that this video you posted is a good example of pure trance. On a more subjective note I'm more of a non-repetitive uplifting type of guy. For example what I'm about to introduce is not pure trance but rather an uplifting trance number from 1994:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/eh1yk9

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Originally posted by Aquarian Something like this.

Now this is a better example of a video which fits the overall theme of the music, in this case, pure trance music. Nice find.

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Originally posted by Aquarian But then, so is staring at a wall for five minutes. And just as interesting too! If you're going to have a video like that, then why bother have a video at all? Maybe that was the point of it?

Yup.

An anti-video. When every video has something in it....howabout one that has nothing.

Yet is nothing still something? It's like that painting of a pipe that says "This is not a pipe".

There are levels of deepness here that you have yet to explore....man.

As a Welshman I am concerned about the number of sheep in the video. Are their any guarantees that Bill and Jimmy didnt slip one in teh p00p3r of a poor bystanding animal?

Oh yeah, the vid. Didnt really convey any builds or significant changes in the track, from a media studying perspective it could have been done a lot better.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Now this is a better example of a video which fits the overall theme of the music, in this case, pure trance music. Nice find.

Sigh. Papua New Guinea is not a trance record and The FSOL are not a trance act. Papua comes from the same school of breaks as Radio Babylon. Nothing trancey about it.

But damnit, let's not let Papua upstage every damn thing and let's not turn this into a video debate.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Sigh. Papua New Guinea is not a trance record and The FSOL are not a trance act. Papua comes from the same school of breaks as Radio Babylon. Nothing trancey about it. But damnit, let's not let Papua upstage every damn thing and let's not turn this into a video debate.

I can make the same exact argument with Orbital. They are also not a trance act but if you were to take their track 'Halcyon' for example, any old schooler would tell you that is regarded as a trance classic by default even though it is breaks. I'm making the same assumption with FSOL. I agree it's truly breaks as you say, but calling it trance is not wrong either as that record does express some of those elements.

I still remember first time I listened to the KLF, when they hit the radio with 3am Eternal... That was the first sinlge by the KLF that way played on the radio where I live. What time is love came after even if older.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Oh come on. I've seen a billion videos like that from the rave era, and even a track as good as Papua doesn't save it from being derivative crap. WTIL is total anti-video: no stupid cheap visuals trying to visualise E or anything daft like that. Just some sheep and a road. It's mesmirising. Plus I can't drive down a long road anymore without humming it, where as I can't remember any defining image from the Papua video and I've seen it sixteen thousand times.

Indeed, amazing video

To be honest I couldn't stop laughing through the whole thing. I mean, here's the song building up, building up, and you just see these sheep standing around. Still, I liked the track and the video both.

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Originally posted by BlueFear I still remember first time I listened to the KLF, when they hit the radio with 3am Eternal... That was the first sinlge by the KLF that way played on the radio where I live. What time is love came after even if older.

KLF rocked.

America, What time is love?

I would say KLF was in time between acid house and trance, german techno.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Yet is nothing still something? It's like that painting of a pipe that says "This is not a pipe".

ceci n'est une respons�

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I can make the same exact argument with Orbital. They are also not a trance act but if you were to take their track 'Halcyon' for example, any old schooler would tell you that is regarded as a trance classic by default even though it is breaks. I'm making the same assumption with FSOL. I agree it's truly breaks as you say, but calling it trance is not wrong either as that record does express some of those elements.

And the same can be said about the KLF. There's plenty of music that is trancey that is not always labeled trance. The KLF isn't widely regarded as a trance act, as others like Paul van Dyk, Armin van Buuren, Ferry Corsten, Airwave, Phynn, Steve Helstrip, Above & Beyond, Ronski Speed, Micro de Govia, Greg Murray, Solar Stone, Alex MORPH, Smith & Pledger, Super 8, Oliver Lieb, Push/M.I.K.E., Cygnus X, Three Drives, Mike Shiver etc etc are are. When people think of these artists (people that know them) they think of them as trance.

But I will say that KLF's music is trancey, even some of Pink Floyd's stuff is, and a lot of Tangerine Dream's and Jean Michel Jarre's stuff, but that doesn't make them trance either. It just means that being hypnotic is a part of a lot of music, it doesn't owe itself just to a specific genre called "trance". Plenty of World Music, esp Latin, Indian and African has a hypnotic appeal to it, esp with the heavy percussion and hypnotic effects, like with the Sitar in Indian music, Conga in Latin music, and all of the various African Drums.

KLF rocked full stop. KLF was the first proper EDM i ever listenend to. White Room still gets played at after partys for us.

lol this is the best damn video i've ever seen!

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I can make the same exact argument with Orbital. They are also not a trance act but if you were to take their track 'Halcyon' for example, any old schooler would tell you that is regarded as a trance classic by default even though it is breaks. I'm making the same assumption with FSOL. I agree it's truly breaks as you say, but calling it trance is not wrong either as that record does express some of those elements.

Halcyon is not a breakbeat track and Papua New Guinea is not a trance track.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Halcyon is not a breakbeat track and Papua New Guinea is not a trance track.

You got to be kidding me, their structures are very much alike. Listen to this comparison mix I did: link

I'll agree to disagree.

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