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Making the switch to Ableton Live
Do you think you will make the switch to Ableton Live in the next 2-3 years?
Ive seen some amazing stuff been done with Ableton , absolutely creative tool .
I've been doing mixes on it just the same as I've been doing mixes on vinyl and CD.
Yes, im 100% sure i am/will 
The future of trance/house/4 to the floor mixing i think.
No.
It bores the shit out of me. And the prep work before hand is even more boring. Somewhere up there with watching paint evolve. Its that much fun.
ableton has its uses for me. when it comes to mixing, i like to stick with the hardware. as a whole, i think ableton is a great digital instrument.
Maybe to make software mix compilations and MAYBE partly used in a set with cd and vinyl decks but never a complete switch to only Ableton. Using soley Ableton in your live sets strips away the meaning of dj'ing to me.
I've been using it rewired to reason for arranging tracks and such, and did a few edits with it.
Played around with DJ'ing with it, yes it's has amazing possiblities. The prep work is definately BORING. I work with computers all day, to come home and warp and split up tracks is just not fun. Sasha has a whole team of people that do it for him.
Ableton wasn't even purpose built as a DJ tool, it just became used in that way. It'll be interesting to see what other tools come down the line.
I'm also waiting for a Sasha-Maven like controller to come out. All the ones commercially available feel like plastic garbage, with the exception of the Xone 3D (which is too expensive for my needs).
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| Originally posted by Vero ableton has its uses for me. when it comes to mixing, i like to stick with the hardware. as a whole, i think ableton is a great digital instrument. |
I don't know because I can warp a track in about the same time it takes to look through a crate and pick out a record and then rearrangement can be easily done on the fly.
I am sorry but I have to agree with Freak it's as intresting as watching flys fuck!
I like classic turntables and timecode systems along with real records.
I dont like cd decks and when vinyl will become extinct no club will have turntables so the only way to spin will be ableton live 
But I don't think it's really me
I have seen people use it in a good way and I have seen people going over the line butchering other peoples hard work.
In my opinion a dj is a dj.There are limitations to that.
He is there to play recorded music and make the crowd have fun.
He should respect the hard studio work of the people who made the music and give the their 5 minutes of fame not turn good music into disjointed gimmics!
Picture yourself doing a 10 hour marathon mix using ableton live.
Could you?
Shit I would probably fall asleep half way through...
i don't think i will. i don't see the need for ableton personally for me.
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| Originally posted by harriz I am sorry but I have to agree with Freak it's as intresting as watching flys fuck! I like classic turntables and timecode systems along with real records. I dont like cd decks and when vinyl will become extinct no club will have turntables so the only way to spin will be ableton live But I don't think it's really me I have seen people use it in a good way and I have seen people going over the line butchering other peoples hard work. In my opinion a dj is a dj.There are limitations to that. He is there to play recorded music and make the crowd have fun. He should respect the hard studio work of the people who made the music and give the their 5 minutes of fame not turn good music into disjointed gimmics! Picture yourself doing a 10 hour marathon mix using ableton live. Could you? Shit I would probably fall asleep half way through... |
I was at a party today and I had to tell my friend. Damn this is about as boring as watching paint try those records just go in circles over and over again.
I manually warp my tracks, it's more accurate but it definately takes more than a few minutes per track.
"warp this loop section, flip it to the next 16 bars, warp this loop section, flip it to the next 16 bars..."
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| Originally posted by Zild I don't know because I can warp a track in about the same time it takes to look through a crate and pick out a record and then rearrangement can be easily done on the fly. |
Haha... who goes to a party and stares at the DJ all night? Try and have FUN. It's a PARTY.
Use what works for you. Ableton is not the end all and be all of digital DJ'ing, there WILL be more coming down the line.
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| Originally posted by Zild I was at a party today and I had to tell my friend. Damn this is about as boring as watching paint try those records just go in circles over and over again. |
If you can't warp a stable dance tune in under 30 seconds you're doing it wrong, look up some tutorials.
I already switched to Ableton 2 years ago and would never go back.
I don't see myself using it anytime soon for DJ'ing either. My reasons are:
1) Taking a laptop everywhere isn't very ideal as sometimes I'm in very dusty enviroments and not to mention eventually someone will probably try to steal it. Lets not forget crashes, the last thing I'd ever want is for the music to stop because the computer felt like going on vacation.
2) I can't see myself having as much fun with a laptop. It's a rush searching through your tunes and getting them beatmatched. I feel that clicking and dragging a song over wouldn't really give me that rush.
3) I hate sitting at computers doing boring tasks like warping..
4) I like the feel of CDJ's (don't kill me vinyl defenders!)
I understand where some of you guys were coming from. A few years ago before I learned to use CDJs and programs like Ableton I used to give people shit about it too.
30 seconds? maybe if you're using auto warp... but that never gets it quite right.
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| Originally posted by jahnlay If you can't warp a stable dance tune in under 30 seconds you're doing it wrong, look up some tutorials. I already switched to Ableton 2 years ago and would never go back. |
Autowarp usually gets the timing exactly right but it never puts the first beat in the right place. Simply grab the first beat and adjust it so that it's exactly on. Then check at say, beat 17, to see if it's exactly on, then go to the end of the track and check if it's exactly on. If it's slightly off, just grab the beat marker and drag it on (don't double click for a warp marker, they are only needed for tracks that drift out of time. Obviously if a track drifts a lot or is recorded by a band, you'll need to create many more warp markers, but for most dance tunes that are created with sequencers, they are rock solid and don't drift).
I don't think I'll ever go 100% to Ableton. I much prefer to get my hands on Techs or CDJs and my EFX-1000. However, I would like to get a Bitstream 3x and get Ableton running loops on top of my decks. Maybe even get a few jam sessions going during my sets. Ableton is a great tool, but I don't think it's very good as standalone DJ software.
Even though I can appreciate the creativeness and the plethora of features available with Ableton live, I am a more spontaneous DJ. I really don't like spending hours arranging samples, effect loops, etc beforehand and loading everything into a sequence before I play for an hour or two.
I used ableton for 2 months but after purchasing my electribe sampler and my 2 cdj's, the feel of "hands on" equipment is quite intoxicating when playing live. I love having direct access to knobs on the electribe sampler and i love the warm analog sound. Well in my opinion, i like the hands on feel of equipment instead of having to mimic everything via a pc program.
anyone else agree?
BTW: "My engineering profession has me sitting infront of a PC 9-10 hours a day, that could also be my reason for not using ableton lol"
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| Originally posted by DamienR8 Even though I can appreciate the creativeness and the plethora of features available with Ableton live, I am a more spontaneous DJ. I really don't like spending hours arranging samples, effect loops, etc beforehand and loading everything into a sequence before I play for an hour or two. |
The good thing about Ableton is that its only as complicated as you make it.
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| [i][b]my 2 cdj's...i love the warm analog sound. |
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| Originally posted by Zild Hmm I don't think you were doing it right if it took you hours of prep before starting a mix. If I want to do a mix in Ableton which I often do when I'm at the computer surfing the web and working on my studies I do it in real time it doesn't take me any prep work. It is faster than if I were digging through crates of records or a CD wallet looking for tracks. What is so hard about loading in a track looking through the rest of your tracks and loading up another one to mix in? Or looking through your samples for a vocal or some precussion to add? |
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