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Canada rescuing Canadians from Lebanon and all they get are complaints

So I saw something in the newspaper in Cambridge this weekend that kinda annoyed me. Unfortunatly I don't have the actual letters...but maybe Cale can post them if he has an online copy.

We were reading letters to the paper that were in regards to Canadians that were trapped in Lebanon. Some of the letters said that vactioners were pissed b/c they had to travel to another area in Lebanon in order to get rescued. There were other letters saying that they were ashamed to say they were Canadian b/c it was unacceptable that their country would take so long to rescue them, or that the conditions of their rescue boats/planes were not up to par (i.e. luxurious). Another person complained b/c it was dispecable that Canada would stand back and enjoy their luxurious lifestyle while children in Lebanon were starving and "laying in the sun".

These letters pissed me off b/c...

1. It's not Canada's responsibility to get these vacationers out of Lebanon. I think it's quite nice of Canada to do that, so they should be happy that anything is being done for them. When I've vacationed in Florida or Hawaii...I didn't complain that there was a hurricane and it was my countries responsibility to save me! I'm out of the country on vacation...why should Canada be responsible for my well being?

2. I don't have a passport handy to look at, but if I'm not mistaken, doesn't it WARN people of going to places like Lenanon, Iraq, Afghanastan etc. that they are not guaranteed to be safe places to visit?

3. If these people are so ashamed of being Canadian, why do they want to be saved in order to come back to Canada?

4. They should be happy that Canada is going in period to get them back safely to their homes...is it truely necessary to have luxurious ships and planes to rescue them? Personally I wouldn't care how I got back, as long as I made it home safely!

5. And as for the man that was complaining about how Canada could stand back and watch these children getting a tan in the sun and starving to death...I bet that man wasn't doing anything himself to help those children b/c all he cared about was his country flying a private jet in to save him!

I know that not all of the Canadians that are in Lebanon do not hold opinions like the ones who wrote letters to the paper...but I think that some of those people are being a bit ridiculus.

i vote we move all the whinners to lebanon.... starting with the toronto islanders........

That guy's letter actually talked about kids "laying in the sun."

I vote for mass sterilization, what say you all?


Also, Lisa, we forgot to write our angry letter with a lot of ****'s in it.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Also, Lisa, we forgot to write our angry letter with a lot of ****'s in it.

Let's do that tonight and send it to every newspaper in Canada.

P.S. Go get the paper now before it's recycled so we can have actual quotes! Go...GO!

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 That guy's letter actually talked about kids "laying in the sun."

By "starving & laying in the sun" did they mean getting a tan, or lying out in the open desert under the harsh sun? Could be a language thing... just my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by tatgirl By "starving & laying in the sun" did they mean getting a tan, or lying out in the open desert under the harsh sun? Could be a language thing... just my 2 cents.

I think the write was implying that they were lying out in the open desert under the harsh sun. Cale is just being an asshole.

The situation with these guys is rediculous...I've seen them on CBC and some of the other Canadian channels...crying whinning and complaining about how it wasn't comfortable...

WTF DID YOU EXPECT?! A BUSINESS CLASS FLIGHT BACK TO CANADA?

GOD! UGH these people!

Your government comes to save your ass, for free, and all you do is bitch? As someone up there already said...send them back there

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* So I saw something in the newspaper in Cambridge this weekend that kinda annoyed me. Unfortunatly I don't have the actual letters...but maybe Cale can post them if he has an online copy. We were reading letters to the paper that were in regards to Canadians that were trapped in Lebanon. Some of the letters said that vactioners were pissed b/c they had to travel to another area in Lebanon in order to get rescued. There were other letters saying that they were ashamed to say they were Canadian b/c it was unacceptable that their country would take so long to rescue them, or that the conditions of their rescue boats/planes were not up to par (i.e. luxurious). Another person complained b/c it was dispecable that Canada would stand back and enjoy their luxurious lifestyle while children in Lebanon were starving and "laying in the sun". These letters pissed me off b/c... 1. It's not Canada's responsibility to get these vacationers out of Lebanon. I think it's quite nice of Canada to do that, so they should be happy that anything is being done for them. When I've vacationed in Florida or Hawaii...I didn't complain that there was a hurricane and it was my countries responsibility to save me! I'm out of the country on vacation...why should Canada be responsible for my well being? 2. I don't have a passport handy to look at, but if I'm not mistaken, doesn't it WARN people of going to places like Lenanon, Iraq, Afghanastan etc. that they are not guaranteed to be safe places to visit? 3. If these people are so ashamed of being Canadian, why do they want to be saved in order to come back to Canada? 4. They should be happy that Canada is going in period to get them back safely to their homes...is it truely necessary to have luxurious ships and planes to rescue them? Personally I wouldn't care how I got back, as long as I made it home safely! 5. And as for the man that was complaining about how Canada could stand back and watch these children getting a tan in the sun and starving to death...I bet that man wasn't doing anything himself to help those children b/c all he cared about was his country flying a private jet in to save him! I know that not all of the Canadians that are in Lebanon do not hold opinions like the ones who wrote letters to the paper...but I think that some of those people are being a bit ridiculus.

You forgot that most of the "Canadians" in lebanon are actually dual citizens that no longer live in canada. They are in fact lebanese who are now using the canadian passport for convenience. The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. The dual citizens who are non residents are actually residents of lebanon and should not be entitled to FREE PASSAGE.

Do people get whine pills issued with their canadian passports? Just wondering.

Wow...I hear you but I am sure thats not how all Canadians would be feeling. Its those few people who like to controversy and the media stupid enough to print only those stories out. But whoever said that they are ashamed of being Canadian deserves a spanking...

Canada is actually doing a pretty good job with the whole evacuation thing...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You forgot that most of the "Canadians" in lebanon are actually dual citizens that no longer live in canada. They are in fact lebanese who are now using the canadian passport for convenience. The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. The dual citizens who are non residents are actually residents of lebanon and should not be entitled to FREE PASSAGE.

+1

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You forgot that most of the "Canadians" in lebanon are actually dual citizens that no longer live in canada. They are in fact lebanese who are now using the canadian passport for convenience. The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. The dual citizens who are non residents are actually residents of lebanon and should not be entitled to FREE PASSAGE.

I was going to point that out, but I was afraid of offending any Lebanese people on the site. I do think it's a bit crazy that some of these people with dual citizenship go to Lebanon and then want Canada to save them when it's unsafe...and when the coast is clear they just go back.

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Originally posted by adi26 Wow...I hear you but I am sure thats not how all Canadians would be feeling. Its those few people who like to controversy and the media stupid enough to print only those stories out.

That's why I said at the end that I know that all of the Canadians there don't feel this way.

Canada is doing a good job at evacuating people but like I said before...do I complain when I go on vacation and there's a natural disaster? No. It's not my country's responsibility to save me free of charge.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You forgot that most of the "Canadians" in lebanon are actually dual citizens that no longer live in canada. They are in fact lebanese who are now using the canadian passport for convenience. The government should evacuate canadian RESIDENTS only. The dual citizens who are non residents are actually residents of lebanon and should not be entitled to FREE PASSAGE. Do people get whine pills issued with their canadian passports? Just wondering.

i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out.

And wether or not you have an additional passport shouldnt matter. If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I was going to point that out, but I was afraid of offending any Lebanese people on the site. I do think it's a bit crazy that some of these people with dual citizenship go to Lebanon and then want Canada to save them when it's unsafe...and when the coast is clear they just go back.

you and jay1x then need to argue to have canada's rules on dual citizenship changed, not the equal treatment of all canadian citizens.

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Originally posted by simms327 i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out. And wether or not you have an additional passport shouldnt matter. If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment.

i can see where your bias comes from but think about it. If you choose to leave for more than 6 months plus 1 day in a year you are legally a non resident of canada. That means that legally (in canadian law) you are now the responsibilty of another government. So why should the canadian government coming running to your aid when you have decided not to live in, vote, or pay taxes in canada? I think once you renounce canadian residency, canada should also renounce you. Its a fair trade off in my opinion.

Im sick of canada being the YMCA drop in centre of the world when shit hits the fan and then being abandoned when the grass is greener on the other side. Its either one or the other. Choose one!

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Originally posted by simms327 If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment.

Just out of curiousty...I don't know much about passports or in depth canadian rights...but does it say that if we're residing in another country or vacationing in another country that the canadian government is obligated to rescue us if there is war?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i can see where your bias comes from but think about it. If you choose to leave for more than 6 months plus 1 day in a year you are legally a non resident of canada. That means that legally (in canadian law) you are now the responsibilty of another government. So why should the canadian government coming running to your aid when you have decided not to live in, vote, or pay taxes in canada? I think once you renounce canadian residency, canada should also renounce you. Its a fair trade off in my opinion.

I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jay.

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Originally posted by simms327 you and jay1x then need to argue to have canada's rules on dual citizenship changed, not the equal treatment of all canadian citizens.

they should be changed. But in the mean time people should understand the difference between a paper citizen and a resident.

I too, have been a little irritated by the whining, but remember that the news really spins things out of proportion, and love to televise the disposition and anger of people because happiness doesn't guarantee ratings.

I personally only watch CBC and BBC because they deliver news that isn't as sensationalized, and a little more objective. This is not to say that people aren't whining, because some are, but people will always be whining and crying regardless.

I also found it irritating when some lebanese complained that "all the other countries came to pick up their citizens, why are we so slow?"
Canada has by far, the highest concentration of Lebanese Canadians; 50,000 to be exact. Imagine the logistical nightmare of getting 50,000 people home through warfare.

If it were me, I would shut my mouth and kiss the ground that I was alive. I would be so grateful to be home, and that the Canadian government actually cared enough to make the effort.

I hope Karim is well.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jay.

im just sitting back and waiting for the inevitable accusations of racism that always accompany this sort of discussion when the other side is losing their arguement

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Originally posted by Allegory If it were me, I would shut my mouth and kiss the ground that I was alive. I would be so grateful to be home, and that the Canadian government actually cared enough to make the effort.[quote] agreed [quote]I hope Karim is well.

and agreed

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Just out of curiousty...I don't know much about passports or in depth canadian rights...but does it say that if we're residing in another country or vacationing in another country that the canadian government is obligated to rescue us if there is war?

i havent said that they are obligated to. but if they gov't chooses to rescue, then they should rescue all CITIZENS.

its not an issue of residency. its an issue of citizenship, and the constitution affords protection to all citizens. The constitution does not differentiate btw residents and non residents.

when you leave canada you stop paying taxes because you stop using the vast majority of services. when you decide to re-enter canada you then start paying taxes on your income, as you are using the services.

again, if you dont like the tax laws, then get canada to change its income tax laws to those of the US, i.e. you are taxed on worldwide income.

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Originally posted by simms327 i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out.

Why? Why should Canada help somebody out if they're getting shot at in another country? That's the country's prerogative, but I feel that we should have absolutely no part in getting these people out. You go to a country that's in the midst of a warzone, you take your chances.

Stupidity.

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Originally posted by simms327 i havent said that they are obligated to. but if they gov't chooses to rescue, then they should rescue all CITIZENS. its not an issue of residency. its an issue of citizenship, and the constitution affords protection to all citizens. The constitution does not differentiate btw residents and non residents. when you leave canada you stop paying taxes because you stop using the vast majority of services. when you decide to re-enter canada you then start paying taxes on your income, as you are using the services. again, if you dont like the tax laws, then get canada to change its income tax laws to those of the US, i.e. you are taxed on worldwide income.

you are missing the point entirely. Even as a canadian citizen. If i chose to take up residency in another country i wouldnt automatically expect the canadian government to come running. And if they did id be grateful to get out on a rubber dingy never mind the boats that they did. I most certainly would not be bitching about it.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I most certainly would not be bitching about it.

said this before and I'll say it again:

Canadians are an ungrateful bunch who do nothing more than bitch and moan about whatever they can.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Why? Why should Canada help somebody out if they're getting shot at in another country? That's the country's prerogative, but I feel that we should have absolutely no part in getting these people out. You go to a country that's in the midst of a warzone, you take your chances. Stupidity.

please note that some of these people dont go to war zones, war happens, and often you get caught in it.

also, many non resident canadians work abroad for canadian companies, and represent canadian interests, and make other canadians money. an excellent example is mining companies, inco, falconbridge, etc...

these non resident canadians deserve the full protection of the canadian government and equal treatment. this is a constitutional right of being a canadian citizen, which these people are.

again, i am not saying the Gov't HAS to rescue these people, but if they do, they deserve equal treatment.

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