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90's angst?
My groundhogboy and myself has a discussion on mid 90's music. And we both noted how intense and angry it was. What the heck has today music? Honestly im really quite bored of a majority of today music, especially rock and rap. I cant believe they even give those wrist cutting pussies guitars(I would be worried they would hang them selves with the strings or something). As for electronic music its be on a steady decline far as versatility and innovation since 2002. Im not saying there are no good bands out today because there are, Brazillian Girls, Booka Shade, Kyto along with numerous other small independant acts. They are just few and far inbetween.
Sometimes I believe people just want to hear more of the same and stopped caring for something different and new. So some of these modern bands may very well be very talented but are afraid of doing new things out of fear of being rejected by the public. I mean the argument can be put forth that bands will do what they want to do reguardless. But that isnt entirely true a band that gets paid to do what they want is much more likely to be experimenting with new ideas than a band thats trying to put foot on the table. And by the time they are able to put food on the table they have already pigeon holed them selves into something the public likes. In fear of loosing their brief moments of stardom and fame they continue to put forth garbage.
Some bands i miss and or still enjoy
Joy division
The cure
NIN
Primus
Rage against the machine
David Bowie
Smashing Pumpkins
Sonic Youth
Buckethead
Snot
Toodies
Temple of the Dog
Fear Factory
KMFDM
White Zombie(not so much rob zombie)
Bring back the intensity FFS.
Some other bands
Filter
8stops7
Gravity Kills
God lives underwater
Pearl Jam
Nirvana
Soundgarden
Mudhoney
Alice in Chains
I think the problem is that music is a reflection of society and society now-a-days is full of pussies, thus all the music is toned down. There's no rebellion anymore, because society isn't rebellious. Everyone's become cautious and realizes that dissent is highly discouraged. Being critical of anyone or anything is unheard of if you are to prosper.
The money issue is another aspect. A lot of that music was created right before the 90s technology stock boom, when the economy wasn't faring too well. Then it went up and people became complacent. The next time it fell, was right around the beginning of the war on terror. Normally, the same sort of outrage that occurred in the early 90s would have happened, but the war on terror, and with it, war on freedom of speech and public outrage has limited that. So now that dissent is discouraged and people can't get away with disobedience, they're all pussies and emo because life sucks as it is now, but we can't do anything about it. Just my thoughts.
Also, anyone else think that young kids (the teenager-20, 21 crowd, sorry) is so fucked up because of the lifestyles and opulence of the 80s that influenced their parents so much, thereby influencing their parenting skills? I was having this discussion with both barosoap earlier today and with a co-worker last week. Any thoughts?
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| Originally posted by fr0st My groundhogboy and myself has a discussion on mid 90's music. And we both noted how intense and angry it was. What the heck has today music? Honestly im really quite bored of a majority of today music, especially rock and rap. I cant believe they even give those wrist cutting pussies guitars(I would be worried they would hang them selves with the strings or something). As for electronic music its be on a steady decline far as versatility and innovation since 2002. Im not saying there are no good bands out today because there are, Brazillian Girls, Booka Shade, Kyto along with numerous other small independant acts. They are just few and far inbetween. Sometimes I believe people just want to hear more of the same and stopped caring for something different and new. So some of these modern bands may very well be very talented but are afraid of doing new things out of fear of being rejected by the public. I mean the argument can be put forth that bands will do what they want to do reguardless. But that isnt entirely true a band that gets paid to do what they want is much more likely to be experimenting with new ideas than a band thats trying to put foot on the table. And by the time they are able to put food on the table they have already pigeon holed them selves into something the public likes. In fear of loosing their brief moments of stardom and fame they continue to put forth garbage. Some bands i miss and or still enjoy Joy division The cure NIN Primus Rage against the machine David Bowie Smashing Pumpkins Sonic Youth Buckethead Snot Toodies Temple of the Dog Fear Factory KMFDM White Zombie(not so much rob zombie) Bring back the intensity FFS. |
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| Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Pearl Jam Nirvana Soundgarden Mudhoney Alice in Chains I think the problem is that music is a reflection of society and society now-a-days is full of pussies, thus all the music is toned down. There's no rebellion anymore, because society isn't rebellious. Everyone's become cautious and realizes that dissent is highly discouraged. Being critical of anyone or anything is unheard of if you are to prosper. The money issue is another aspect. A lot of that music was created right before the 90s technology stock boom, when the economy wasn't faring too well. Then it went up and people became complacent. The next time it fell, was right around the beginning of the war on terror. Normally, the same sort of outrage that occurred in the early 90s would have happened, but the war on terror, and with it, war on freedom of speech and public outrage has limited that. So now that dissent is discouraged and people can't get away with disobedience, they're all pussies and emo because life sucks as it is now, but we can't do anything about it. Just my thoughts. Also, anyone else think that young kids (the teenager-20, 21 crowd, sorry) is so fucked up because of the lifestyles and opulence of the 80s that influenced their parents so much, thereby influencing their parenting skills? I was having this discussion with both barosoap earlier today and with a co-worker last week. Any thoughts? |
Both of you are raging homosexuals.
And you forgot Jane's Addiction
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| Originally posted by Highmay you're gay... |
These bands are created men who sit in an office and where suites. They look at the latest fads and mix them to make these bands (good charlote is a great example. They have no substance. They were makeup and over do it with the goth to the point where it feels fake.
The best band ever created was Temple of the Dog
duet between Cornell and Vedder.
Hunger Strike 
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| Originally posted by pyro264jb These bands are created men who sit in an office and where suites. They look at the latest fads and mix them to make these bands (good charlote is a great example. They have no substance. They were makeup and over do it with the goth to the point where it feels fake. The best band ever created was Temple of the Dog duet between Cornell and Vedder. Hunger Strike |
i dont really have a valid reason as to why this is happening, but i just think it is a generation difference and that we are aging. probably a poor excuse, but it is late and i cant quite think of a full valid reason. i just think the generation that likes those bands are very different from this generation. i mean take a look at mtv. i used to sit up every sunday nite and watch 120 minutes. i have seen about 75% of those bands live b/c of the way it used to be played on mtv. look at mtv today, all it is is crap. take a look at the radio stations in new york. there used to be a great station wlir (wdre). there isnt a station like that except unless you drive out to montauk. the technology is different.
btw great bands, i love joy division, been to ian's grave two times to pay my respects. oh and you left out sex pistols and PIL. 
I remember temple of the dog and the song hunger strike. It was a pretty good song. 
Its weird how people seem to let themselves be brainwashed into liking unoriginal things in general not just music. Seems like its all based on recognition from others or feeling like your cool if you like what most peolple like. Its a shame most people act like that. Its much more fun to expand your mind with alternative ideas etc.
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| Originally posted by fr0st Hey highmay i heard from a little bird you have a extremely small penis, and to compensate for that you are homophobic, care to elaborate? |
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| Originally posted by klingklang77 btw great bands, i love joy division, been to ian's grave two times to pay my respects. oh and you left out sex pistols and PIL. |
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| Originally posted by Highmay who, your mom?? yeah, she says that to hide the fact that ive been banging her for quite a while now...sorry that i had to break it to you in this manner, but there's no denying love... |
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I remember temple of the dog and the song hunger strike. It was a pretty good song.
Its weird how people seem to let themselves be brainwashed into liking unoriginal things in general not just music. Seems like its all based on recognition from others or feeling like your cool if you like what most peolple like. Its a shame most people act like that. Its much more fun to expand your mind with alternative ideas etc.
does calling each other gay reallymake a difference? personally i wouldn't know but i'm guessing no. anyhow, i don't like and never liked a majority of the listed artists but i loved nirvana and i liked pearl jam and smashing pumpkins. i think i liked them because i was in middle school/high school, lived in the pacific northwest and their music seemed to speak to confused pre-teens/teens.
also, rappers are more interested in rapping about their money, cars and hoes than anything else right now. they aren't suicidal, if anything they are happier now than they ever were. i cannot imagine a song like tupac's brenda's got a baby being released now and anyone listening to it because it's not happy enough.
also keep in mind that record executives decide what gets played and the cheesy crap always wins out, the artists who are willing to be innovative have to take a backseat to people pop stars and if you have good voice you aren't going to go anywhere until you sell out just a bit (i.e. christina aguilera has a great voice but her music was crap at first)
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| Originally posted by Highmay you're very gay... |
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| Originally posted by Gmoney part 3 Both of you are raging homosexuals. |
As I see you just recently joined, ill bare you the details. But Highshit and I go way back(2 years or so). And if anyone is gonna deal with his homophobic tendancies its gonna be me.
Also from my intrusive post search of you, because i have no clue who you are and was curious. I see you tend to go to the big brand name techno(err i mean trance, progelectropsybreaks what ever the catchy genre term is for it nowadays) events. Do you go to any of the more "underground" acts? It would seem the same superficial reasons that lead you to those 90's bands prolly lead you to electronic music. Or maybe it is drugs(last few trance events I have been to, i actually believe the only way you could enjoy them is with a few hits of e). Or it could be even the ladies for all i know. Because if its in search of new innovative music PVD isnt it, markus isnt it, and AVB us deffinately not fucking it.
Yeah im not trying to come off a prick its the 90's angst and all.
I also totaly agree on the record exutive comment. But if those types of records didn't sell they wouldn't lead million dollar add campaigns with billboards, magazines, radio plays etc. They practicly force people to like that shit. I mean i havent listened to a radio in about 2 years and even i know some of the most recent pop songs. They force feed us shit and we buy it. If consumers were smarter this wouldnt happen. And dont get me started on MP3's(yeah im guity of them too) but they fucking destroyed the independant market for all genres.
This even goes further than just marketing. it goes into the production.
Nickleback(fucking douchebags if there ever were ones, they deffinately are going to hell for a dollar and fame)
http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm
Listen to this in stero. Drums perfectly sync up, chord changes at same time drum fills almost identical. And i dont know of any drummers that keep tempo perfectly constant through the whole song(computer edited and synced anyone?).
And the loss of dynamics in modern music. This again we have to thank the record labels. They want the shit to be the loudest song on the radio. Why you ask? So its heard, so it becomes familiar, so you can sing the fucking chorus while your driving down the road in your car with the windows down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
Fuck record companies, fuck musicans who give into demands of record campanies and sell all artistic integrity they have, and lastly fuck you consumers who bought the most recent 50cent, little john, nickleback(fuck them the most), britany spears(I admit though toxic was cool, though prolly force fed to me) yeah fuck all you billboard scum sucking consumers. In the end we ultimately fuck ourselves. Wether it be our music, our planet, our culture. The only ones we can blame are ourselves for never doing anything about it.
Meh. It's just a change of style. Look at the difference between music of the 50s and music of the 60s. Completely different.
In anycase, I basically just stick to hip hop and EDM these days, but I will catch myself listening to some rock. While there really isn't much good hard rock these days, there are a few decent bands.
there are still plenty of good bands/artists out there in a number of genres that avoid the hypersensitive subject matter of traditional emo and hipster powerpop -- bands like interpol (neo-new wave), bright eyes (indie folk), black47 (irish political rock) and mooney suzuki (garage rock) all put out consistently solid records. david johannsen has even reconstituted the new york dolls and their new stuff isn't half bad.
early- to mid-'90s "angst" -- a poor descriptive, by the way -- was borne out of a combination of gen x ennoui, a rejection of commercial '80s metal, and an embrace of certain punk elements. asking why today's bands don't make music like that is like asking why high schoolers aren't dancing the charleston anymore...
while today's pussified hipsters are an easy whipping boy, when looking at the larger picture, were yesterday's disaffected and bored suburban white boys any less solipsistic? same shit, different address.
Rap and hip hop used to amuse me when I was in Junior High school. Now I just find it really annoying. Rock and alternative I listen to mostly the older stuff pre 2004 although there are some more recent artists that have caught my attention.
Regarding EDM, there are tons of worthy producers out there you just have to sift through all the garbage to find them.
In the end its really a matter of taste. To each theyre own.
I find that people around there 30's and up enjoy 80's and 70 music so it keeps changing because when the teens get around age there going to be dicussing this type of topic but really there is much garbage up there so its tough to find something original. As for EDM I find that electro/house seems to be popular and there milking it.
Anyways Smashing Pumpkins are coming with a new album
To bad no one mention Velvet Revolver and also I liked No Doubt but now its just Gwen alone doing shit music
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| Originally posted by euphoria In the end its really a matter of taste. To each theyre own. |
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| Originally posted by DeRangedMind To bad no one mention Velvet Revolver and also I liked No Doubt but now its just Gwen alone doing shit music |
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