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Posted by gasmark9 on Aug-03-2006 08:03:

Proffesional mastering

Anybody know of any studios that will master tracks for a reasonable rate?
And also what are the end results are they impressive?

Its just that iv produced a track that Suzy Solar and Thomas Bronzwaer say is awesome but thay also say it needs mastering as some levels are clipping.
And thay reccomend pro mastering, as any you been in this situation?

Thanks

Ash

Ps heres the track if you interested:

http://www.musicv2.com/streamer.php?id=21070


Posted by richg101 on Aug-03-2006 08:18:

set your output level to below 0.00db and send it to an online mastering company. these seem to be cheaper.

personally i think that if a track sounds like it needs mastering then there is another problem besides the mastering issue. possibly a bad mixdown, bad eq or as they said - too high output level.


Posted by Channel Surfer on Aug-03-2006 08:25:

wow. great track. i'm impressed....that main line goes on alittle long for my taste, but overall solid jam, wanna tell us a little about the making of this track...?

did you use and arpeggiator for that main line....i'd like to know about the bassline, how you wrote that....maybe even see a little matrix view of the line from the program....you know....if you can... =)


otherwise great job man, a little cleaning up for the mastering house and you've got something to be proud of. =)


Posted by PutBoy on Aug-03-2006 09:04:

Fix it in the mixdown!
Fix it in the mixdown!
Fix it in the mixdown!

Just a thought


Posted by mzvirbulis on Aug-03-2006 09:19:

+1
i beilieve it the mid range sounding a little muddy but dont take my word on it! monitoring on hd25's just to let you know.

but dude AWESOME TRACK!


Posted by mysticalninja on Aug-03-2006 10:35:

Fix it in the mixdown, too much mids in the bass I think.


Posted by Effero on Aug-03-2006 14:17:

Fix your mixdown, so it doesn't clip first, export a premaster as a 24 bit, 44.1 kHz file at -3 dB and send to any of the dozens of mastering services...
One of the good ones is online-mastering.com where you can choose your own mastering engineer. But be warned, it's not cheap. There are some other cheaper mastering houses that do a good job like XARC or Massive mastering.


Posted by DJ_Silverstone1 on Aug-03-2006 15:17:

have you put a compressor on your master channel? when the mix picks up it sounds completely destroyed, i can hear it banging up over the limit, and the mix is really crushed, the kick neads to be bit louder i think to get over the bass and the bass does have probably a tad too much mid


take everything your using off the master, leave the master free, then do what you want in an editor with the .wav or send it off


mastering is a after touch, your final mix down is your final piece, dont expect a after touch to make magic of a dirty final piece it wont happend, it will only make it more dirty or show how dirty it really is.


Posted by DJSentinel on Aug-03-2006 15:21:

erm

Email the track to [email protected], ill master it for you.


Posted by gasmark9 on Aug-03-2006 16:53:

Thanks everybody,

I really appreciete the help, thanks for the offer of mastering i think i will take you up on that.
But first i will have a mess with the mixdown.

Thanks again

Ash


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Aug-03-2006 21:38:

First thing I noticed is your waveform. Notice how there's a squiggly line running through it, caused by excessive sub bass levels.




They modulate the higher frequencies, meaning more damage is done when you limit the peaks, as they greatly reduce the amount of volume you can otherwise get out of your track.




An average spectrum also gives you a good indication that the levels below 20 Hz are too loud - filter them out by placing highpass filters in the mix where needed. The result will be infinitely times better than filtering them out in the master.


Posted by marcusk on Aug-04-2006 16:07:

Atlantis-AR,

Are those Waveforms and the Spectrum for the entire track? or just a section of the track?


Posted by Subtle on Aug-04-2006 19:16:

nice track.. sounds like its clipping.. and the cause of it being the bass.. the sub-bass can occupy alot of frequences and narrow the headroom in the track..


Posted by ronk on Aug-04-2006 19:23:

quote:
Originally posted by marcusk
Atlantis-AR,

Are those Waveforms and the Spectrum for the entire track? or just a section of the track?


it's a part of the track, every 'peak' in the second image is the bassdrum kicking.


Posted by gasmark9 on Aug-04-2006 19:23:

so what should i do tone the frequencys down in the bassline?


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Aug-04-2006 20:28:

quote:
Originally posted by marcusk
Are those Waveforms and the Spectrum for the entire track? or just a section of the track?

The waveforms are parts of the track; the spectrum is an average created by selecting all of the track in Sound Forge.

quote:
Originally posted by gasmark9
so what should i do tone the frequencys down in the bassline?

Highpass the rumble off for starters; enough to remove the sub frequencies, but not kill the sound completely. Depending on what's causing the offset, you may need to position it after the offending effect rather than at the start of the chain. I know some effects like Classic Chorus can introduce such an offset (too much content below 20 Hz 'offsets' the waveform), in which case you'll want to place the filter after it.

Also watch the frequencies around 200 Hz.


Posted by DJSentinel on Aug-04-2006 21:23:

I am mastering this track right now and all problems have been fixed.

Will be sending back to gasmark soon.


Posted by gasmark9 on Aug-06-2006 20:09:

Wow sentinal mastered alright!
Absolutly fantastic Suzy solar says its awesome really crisp and clear at high volumes.
it really brought out the kick, ill post a preview of it tommorrow.


Posted by Channel Surfer on Aug-06-2006 21:02:

nice one sentinal, wanna give us a run down of what you used and how you did it?


Posted by DJSentinel on Aug-06-2006 21:19:

Well I want to keep some of it a secret but I use iZotope plugins with a couple of outboard gear, and since I am very proficient in DSP, when I listen to a track, I pick out flaws immediately, and know exactly how and why to fix them.

Send me your unmastered tracks to [email protected] and see for yourself!


Posted by Channel Surfer on Aug-06-2006 22:27:

wow so you have to to sit around and master peoples tracks....very nice of you... =)


Posted by DJSentinel on Aug-06-2006 22:30:

I don't "have to," I want to :-D

It's a good way to eat up time where I have producers block and can't think.


Posted by Channel Surfer on Aug-06-2006 23:08:

er i meant to say you have TIME to....etc.....sorry....but hey man that's awesome. nice to see people helpin out just cuz.


Posted by mysticalninja on Aug-07-2006 15:55:

lets hear the mastered track.


Posted by gasmark9 on Aug-07-2006 17:07:

Here we go then:

http://www.musicv2.com/streamer.php?id=21405

Let me know what your impressions are, track and mastering.

Ash


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