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Promise people on the Docks noise complaints

and how to throw a responsible party at Cherry Beach

"Here's some developments regarding Cherry Beach.

You may have read headlines recently about the controversy surrounding the Docks complex. Residents of the Island have brought pressure through city hall to shut the place down due to noise violations over the years. There's a serious intersection of money, power and municipal politics here and this battle is probably far from over. The repercussion on all Cherry Beach events may be significant.

David and Irving met with Jerry Sprackman, the owner of the Docks, on wednesday to hear his perspective and understand what's going on and how it could affect Cherry Beach. Jerry has a huge investment in the Docks, and he believes that noise from the beach is mistakenly being blamed by Island residents on his club. He understandably wants to protect his interests and told us that he cannot tolerate threats to the Docks' continued operation due to 'illegal beach parties'. We think it's cool of Jerry to talk candidly with us, and we're inclined to help him out and work towards calming things down.

Jerry was impressed with the care and heart in each and every Sunday afternoon and the many people who contribute and come out to enjoy it each week. However, he feels that if city council is examining his business closely enough to want to shut it down, they should be applying similar scrutiny to things happening on their own land in the area. He feels that loud Cherry Beach parties are causing grief for the Docks and needs to let the city know that they are happening. The implications are clear - we all have to take extra care with anything going on there. Cherry Beach is a gift, don�t fuck it up.

Who's wrong and who's right in the noise controversy is irrelevant. Jerry is a smart big business man with vast resources at his disposal and a legitimate stake in how things go down. He owns 22 acres of prime waterfront property there and is determined to keep it running. He's stated that he has no intention to make problems for us unless necessary. Let's act wisely with the continued good times at Cherry Beach.

Nighttime and daytime parties - We'd like to offer suggestions to anyone planning a gathering at Cherry Beach. Here they are:

Avoid the point near to the Rochester ferry dock. This is too close to the Island and sound goes right across the water. Stay away from the point. The Docks will be sending their people down there to report any disturbances to the police.

Choose spots in the forest away the beach in the trees to help prevent sound traveling. Point speakers towards the city and away from the Island. Send someone to the parking lot - if they can hear the music from there then it�s too loud, simple.

If there's more than one sound system at the beach then one needs to shut down or the two need to combine - make it work.

And leave no trace. Seems easy but gets difficult in the dark but handle it! There's no collection of random bagged garbage either - it has to be taken to the bins in the parking lot. We arrive sundays to unbelievable amounts of garbage clearly left over from friday and saturday nights.

If you're at a party at the beach and the organizers are not doing a responsible job let them know, then leave and take people with you.

We really encourage anyone planning an event at Cherry beach to get in contact and use us as a resource, we know the nature of sound down there very well by now so let's confer on this situation together. Call David at 416 550 2702 or Irving at 416 902 1740 to link up.

Promise sunday afternoons - Most parties happen at Cherry Beach during the night and they're in a different legal category than our afternoon music picnics. If we are visited by by-law officers or the police, this is how to handle things:

You're not a criminal, so don't act like one. Don't run away. Greet cops respectfully and explain what�s going on - we're having a picnic with lots of good friends, music, kids, nice dogs, frisbees and hammocks.

If cops ask for your name and address, give it to them - they just want to do a background check to make sure you�re not a risk to them. Understand the tough job they have.

Don't yell about 'your rights' or get lippy about cops ruining people's fun. They're the ones that have to work on the weekend checking us out and they won�t want to hear it. They're on our side - keep them there.

If you happen to have some alcohol with you it needs to disappear immediately.

Be there to help with the dismantling of the sound system and collection of garbage. Cops and bi-law officers respect that.

If you follow our suggestions and get an infraction we'll have a fundraiser and help cover costs. It's a civil offense like a parking ticket and doesn�t go on your record, so we suggest it's not a big deal.

We're a beautiful and diverse community of friends, let's be wise and strong. Change happens and we need to roll with it. Thanks for reading, and please help spread the word if you're into what we had to say.

cheers,
David and Irving"

Man, these guys are the best.
And on a positive note, Cherry Beach will be happening this Monday and will feature a popular gal by the name of Sydney Blu. (see events forum)

LOL @ "illegal" parties.

gathering a bunch of people in a public place is somehow illegal in this country.

God do i ever feel like i live in some communist backwater at times.


I really hope they dont shut down these parties.

Logically written and I agree.

The only thing that can really screw it up royally are the people there so let's all use common sense and have some empathy for the cops only doing their job.

I know cops can appear stone cold in the beginning but if you cooperate they'll understand you're not a potential problem and they will stop treating you like it; you reap what you sew with them, remember that always. If you want to make things difficult they have no problems reciprocating so don't give them the opportunity.

"Let common sense prevail" - my college rugby coach

Sage advice I say.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 LOL @ "illegal" parties. gathering a bunch of people in a public place is somehow illegal in this country. God do i ever feel like i live in some communist backwater at times. I really hope they dont shut down these parties.

Welcome to the reality of 'permits'. You need a permit for everything on city or private property. I guarantee you no one has a permit since amplified sound is forbidden on public parks and beaches.

Re: Promise people on the Docks noise complaints

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Originally posted by tatgirl David and Irving

Very classy doods.

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Originally posted by tatgirl Welcome to the reality of 'permits'. You need a permit for everything on city or private property. I guarantee you no one has a permit since amplified sound is forbidden on public parks and beaches.

as i said... communism at its finest

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Originally posted by Jayx1 as i said... communism at its finest

regulation isn't a bad thing in itself..

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Originally posted by psychosomatica regulation isn't a bad thing in itself..

no but OVER regulation sure is.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 no but OVER regulation sure is.

well that's where opinions begin to differ...

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Originally posted by psychosomatica well that's where opinions begin to differ...

not allowing people to play music in a park.

Id say thats over regulation at its finest.

Ive been to city parks in many many countries where people bringing their own music (to party at bbqs) becomes the main attraction! Yet here its too much fun so must be banned.

Sad

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Originally posted by Jayx1 not allowing people to play music in a park. Sad

I guess this includes the guys who show up to parks and beaches in Toronto with 120 DB sounds systems in their cars playing reggae, hip-hop and soca? guess you are ok with that?

wait isn't caribana essentially exactly what you think this country needs more of, except without the caribana and island music part?

we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont.

Re: Promise people on the Docks noise complaints

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Originally posted by tatgirl and how to throw a responsible party at Cherry Beach "Here's some developments regarding Cherry Beach. You may have read headlines recently about the controversy And leave no trace. Seems easy but gets difficult in the dark but handle it! There's no collection of random bagged garbage either - it has to be taken to the bins in the parking lot. We arrive sundays to unbelievable amounts of garbage clearly left over from friday and saturday nights.

Yeah last weekend Adrian & I went there and there was a sickening about of shattered beer bottles on the ground, coffee lids & cups and trash trash trash - Nat you would have been proud of me, cause I picked up all the crap that was around my "area" , i think even Adrian was impressed - haha . . .

There were way to many people just walking around with their beers in there beer bottles, David And Irving now supply these red cups to have you "HIDE" your beverages. . . Please continue to do so. These parties have changed since David and Irving first started out, more parties, more people, more DJ's and drawing more crowds, which in some cases these "new" crowds (not any of us) are not respecting the "rules", let's say, and I wish they would do so!

If you were to wanna walk barefoot - DON'T~!

plus all these "after the CZ or South Beach Sunday" parties were all wearing sunglasses at 10 pm! lol

Anyways I agree that David and Iriving are a great pair to put on these parties, thank you as always. . . xxooxx

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 I guess this includes the guys who show up to parks and beaches in Toronto with 120 DB sounds systems in their cars playing reggae, hip-hop and soca? guess you are ok with that? wait isn't caribana essentially exactly what you think this country needs more of, except without the caribana and island music part? we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont.

huh? who said i was picking and choosing?

Carabana isnt my thing but i never said it shouldnt exist. In fact all i even said in the other thread was that santa claus is a black mon!

Why are u putting words into my mouth?

If people want to party in a park, or play sports... it certainly beats what parks are used for now. Which is primarily a doggie toilet.

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We�d appreciate if you would read this email fully. Here�s some developments regarding Cherry Beach. You may have read headlines recently about the controversy surrounding the Docks complex. Residents of the Island have brought pressure through city hall to shut the place down due to noise violations over the years. There�s a serious intersection of money, power and municipal politics here and this battle is probably far from over. The repercussion on all Cherry Beach events may be significant. David and Irving met with Jerry Sprackman, the owner of the Docks, on wednesday to hear his perspective and understand what�s going on and how it could affect Cherry Beach. Jerry has a huge investment in the Docks, and he believes that noise from the beach is mistakenly being blamed by Island residents on his club. He understandably wants to protect his interests and told us that he cannot tolerate threats to the Docks� continued operation due to �illegal beach parties.� We think it�s cool of Jerry to talk candidly with us, and we�re inclined to help him out and work towards calming things down. Jerry was impressed with the care and heart in each and every Sunday afternoon and the many people who contribute and come out to enjoy it each week. However, he feels that if city council is examining his business closely enough to want to shut it down, they should be applying similar scrutiny to things happening on their own land in the area. He feels that loud Cherry Beach parties are causing grief for the Docks and needs to let the city know that they are happening. The implications are clear - we all have to take extra care with anything going on there. Cherry Beach is a gift, don�t fuck it up. Who�s wrong and who�s right in the noise controversy is irrelevant. Jerry is a smart big business man with vast resources at his disposal and a legitimate stake in how things go down. He owns 22 acres of prime waterfront property there and is determined to keep it running. He�s stated that he has no intention to make problems for us unless necessary. Let�s act wisely with the continued good times at Cherry Beach. Nighttime and daytime parties - We�d like to offer suggestions to anyone planning a gathering at Cherry Beach. Here they are: Avoid the point near to the Rochester ferry dock. This is too close to the Island and sound goes right across the water. Stay away from the point. The Docks will be sending their people down there to report any disturbances to the police. Choose spots in the forest away the beach in the trees to help prevent sound traveling. Point speakers towards the city and away from the Island. Send someone to the parking lot - if they can hear the music from there then it�s too loud, simple. If there�s more than one sound system at the beach then one needs to shut down or the two need to combine - make it work. And leave no trace. Seems easy but gets difficult in the dark but handle it! There�s no collection of random bagged garbage either - it has to be taken to the bins in the parking lot. We arrive sundays to unbelievable amounts of garbage clearly left over from friday and saturday nights. If you�re at a party at the beach and the organizers are not doing a responsible job let them know, then leave and take people with you. We really encourage anyone planning an event at Cherry beach to get in contact and use us as a resource, we know the nature of sound down there very well by now so let�s confer on this situation together. Call David at 416 550 2702 or Irving at 416 902 1740 to link up. Promise sunday afternoons - Most parties happen at Cherry Beach during the night and they�re in a different legal category than our afternoon music picnics. If we are visited by by-law officers or the police, this is how to handle things: You�re not a criminal, so don�t act like one. Don�t run away. Greet cops respectfully and explain what�s going on - we�re having a picnic with lots of good friends, music, kids, nice dogs, frisbees and hammocks. If cops ask for your name and address, give it to them - they just want to do a background check to make sure you�re not a risk to them. Understand the tough job they have. Don�t yell about �your rights� or get lippy about cops ruining people�s fun. They�re the ones that have to work on the weekend checking us out and they won�t want to hear it. They�re on our side - keep them there. If you happen to have some alcohol with you it needs to disappear immediately. Be there to help with the dismantling of the sound system and collection of garbage. Cops and bi-law officers respect that. If you follow our suggestions and get an infraction we�ll have a fundraiser and help cover costs. It�s a civil offense like a parking ticket and doesn�t go on your record, so we suggest it�s not a big deal. We�re a beautiful and diverse community of friends, let�s be wise and strong. Change happens and we need to roll with it. Thanks for reading, and please help spread the word if you�re into what we had to say. cheers, David and Irving this MONDAY August 7th promise cherry beach monday afternoon soundsystem 300 Ray Prasad - dirty house 430 Julia and Amanda from Kick Magazine - choice techno 530 Professor DNA (it�s his birthday this weekend!) - dub reggae 700 Rollin� Cash - breaks and scratch 800 Mike Gleeson - sunset house 900 Sydney Blu - deep house 100 Gabor - deep drum n bass Bring a frisbee, bring a kite, bring a handy sweater, bring a dog (only nice dogs), bring your lover and a hammock. And pass the time on this lazy sunny sunday afternoon with friends and friends of friends. 3 to 11pm - east end of the park, in from the water. Directions to Cherry Beach: Take Lakeshore Blvd east of downtown just past Parliament. Turn south down Cherry Street all the way to the end, then go east into the parking lot on your left. At the furthest east of the lot walk along the bike path and turn left up the trail into the woods... you'll hear music. If you end up at the lake, you're going the wrong way. Biking to Cherry Beach is easy along the paths beside the lake, a new bus route from Union Station goes down there too. Things to think about : Please bring only what you plan to take back out with you - leave no trace. Pack something warm (it gets cool after dark by the lake) and something to sit on and also something to keep sun off your head. Drink lots of water. Bring something to share. And remember while down at the beach to take care of your friends, your neighbours, and what's going on around you. It's what makes the sunday afternoons happen smoothly. If the weather turns grey the day of, call 416 323 0361 for the contingency plan. Cherry Beach on Tribe: There�s a forum for discussion, comments, and contacting people you met at the beach at tribe.ca/events. Other good stuff: School supply drive We noticed that the Salvation Army is asking people to donate backpacks filled with back-to-school supplies for kids who need them. We encourage you to take the time to put together a cool little backpack and with some pencils and paper and pens in it. If you bring them to the beach, we�ll get them the rest of the way. saturday August 5th Snug Sale at the Concord Cafe In the back room at 937 Bloor St W, west on Bloor past Ossington, south side next to Long and McQuade. For those who missed the last one... Greg found some more goodies. Highly recommended!

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtop.../93273/forum/28

This is an example of a typical park party in NYC. Looks like they don't have the same legal issue problem as we do.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 huh? who said i was picking and choosing? Carabana isnt my thing but i never said it shouldnt exist. In fact all i even said in the other thread was that santa claus is a black mon! Why are u putting words into my mouth? If people want to party in a park, or play sports... it certainly beats what parks are used for now. Which is primarily a doggie toilet.

follow the post.

essentially these "words" that you claim I was putting in yuor mouth was for you to clarify. Ultimatley they were not the point, what was the point was to make a blanket statement that did follow inline with previous postings.

This blanket statement was what I concluded with there and I will conclude with now again for you.

we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont.
You are not "we", we applies to Canadians in this democratic society.

hmm lame.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 follow the post. essentially these "words" that you claim I was putting in yuor mouth was for you to clarify. Ultimatley they were not the point, what was the point was to make a blanket statement that did follow inline with previous postings. This blanket statement was what I concluded with there and I will conclude with now again for you. we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont. You are not "we", we applies to Canadians in this democratic society.

But ive never made an idication that caribana shouldnt exist in the first place.

Im not picking and choosing anything.

So im not quite sure what your point is here.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So im not quite sure what your point is here.

wow. As it pertains to the conversation on laws we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 wow. As it pertains to the conversation on laws we cant pick and choose, regulate everything or dont.

regulate everything?

hahahaha

do you really mean that? think about what you are saying! BTW even i dont think NOTHING should be regulated. But we overstepped our bounds with regulation a long long time ago. The line was overstepped when laws started to be made to control lifestyle and laws of convenience.

The government has no right dictating our lifestyles, protecting us from ourselves, interfering on private property, or interfering with the freedom of expression.

I have always felt this way.

What the government should be in the business of is fighting our wars, paving our roads, and making sure our food doesnt kill us. THATS what regulation is meant for.

As far as "no music in public parks" id say that falls into the laws of convenience category dictating lifestyles and interfering with freedom of expression.

I mean even if there was a comprimise saying that some parks allow music and others dont... but oh no! not here! God forbid somebody actually uses a park for something other than a dog shit toilet!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 regulate everything? hahahaha do you really mean that? think about what you are saying! BTW even i dont think NOTHING should be regulated. But we overstepped our bounds with regulation a long long time ago. The line was overstepped when laws started to be made to control lifestyle and laws of convenience. The government has no right dictating our lifestyles, protecting us from ourselves, interfering on private property, or interfering with the freedom of expression. I have always felt this way. What the government should be in the business of is fighting our wars, paving our roads, and making sure our food doesnt kill us. THATS what regulation is meant for. As far as "no music in public parks" id say that falls into the laws of convenience category dictating lifestyles and interfering with freedom of expression. I mean even if there was a comprimise saying that some parks allow music and others dont... but oh no! not here! God forbid somebody actually uses a park for something other than a dog shit toilet!

i love it, you telling me to think about what I am saying. Thank you but I am completly aware of what I am saying. At the end of this tiresome diolgue I am saying that the process that is necessary to determine who gets to play what and where is ridiculous. However it may be necessary, to teh extent that people should have to declare lareg events which may be determined as nuisances to the public at large. THIS IS NOT regulation to the point of termination, this is registration. Most people not culturally aligned to Caribana, loathe its existance, and therefor would rather never see it happen in the city. However to those who save all of their pennies for this one weekend to rent a navigator and make a big splash...this means something. This is their cultural expression, and I beleive that they deserve it.
Many people dont, to them it is a nuisance, a threat to their safety and adds undue stress to crucial city services.

To each his own, I hate it as much as they would hate something like Tiesto at the Scarborough civic centre....but these types of events promote something to someone, and I feel that if there is a permit, and a designated place in the public space then let it happen.

My problem is that is appears as though the only cultural events that seem to happen with regularity nowadays in this city are protest against policies, and that is a sign of the state of our society.

- so I am saying that events of a large scale should be registered, as a service to the public at large.

so back on topic, met Dave last night...way cool dude...and extremely inteligent.

i say anyone who's planning a cherry party, better contact him or Irving as they are willing to help keep the peace

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But ive never made an idication that caribana shouldnt exist in the first place. Im not picking and choosing anything. So im not quite sure what your point is here.

I think 7-4-7 is saying that its not fair that the government, etc. pull out the regulation books for EDM parties and such... but allow parties such as Caribana, and various other festivals which cause a lot of noise to go on.

So by "Pick and Choose" I think he means we can't pick and choose which events should be regulated, and which should not. Either all events are treated equal, or they should not be regulated at all.


But regarding the Caribana point... even tho they still party, and it is fairly loud... have you guys seen how many cops they got running around there? Holy Fuck! I happened to be downtown for a movie last year during the caribana weekend, and there were literally HUNDREDS of cops there. How many cops do you see at for example a jazz fest? maaaaaybe one? Talk about treating all festivals, events and people equally and fairly

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