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The Thuggz @ System Soundbar

I remember back then a few ppl would complain about the THUGZ at System, I�ve just found this info out and would like to share with you all. These hip hop kids have been in the scene for a VERY long time and most of them are very well educated with the music. They started with the club Space back in 97. In that time era house music was massive in the rave scene. It was the time when Bad Boy Bill ruled Toronto for many years, drawing 10,000s by himself. It was the time when Hippie and Halo from the Peace Division and Terry Mullen, and of course when DJ Dan was touring constantly with Dose and Syrous. I�ve talked to a few of them and realize they are just like many old skoolers, out to party, out for the music and value member of our positive scene. Yes, sometimes they might look intimidating and etc to some of you, but think about it, I get labeled just like them a few times. �You�re into Trance and Prog?� �Your work with us on Sat not Fri at the Guvernment?� Living in Toronto, fashion evoles ppl, that�s how it is living in big city like this for a long time. One of my favorite raver from back in the days, him and I skooled many ppl when we battled or teamed up to battle. Now, this party friend of mine dresses like a gino, but I still chill with him and etc at parties. Ppl look at us and judge right away, what an odd combo of friends, but don�t even realize the history of our many years of partying and experience we have.

Once Bang shutdown, these hip hop kids continue their love for System by attending the hybrid night of Breathe and Bang on Friday nights. You might see them around still at Sonic or of course the CZ. Next time you see them, ya don�t assume or treatment them in any different from anyone else. Because, they are very nice ppl and really down to earth. Trust me on this, just say hi and found out yourself. If you want to compare yourself with them, ya dunno �. You�ve already lost. They have been in the scene for many years, and will school you in the genre of house music and many aspect of our scene.

When I was young, I never thought about the saying �never judge a book by its cover� until I met one of my exgf�s parents. That experience alone have made me realize �if they don�t like you by the way you look, too bad. They are going to miss out on someone and something special.

Sincerely

John Tang (E2EK1EL)

Recently I was speaking with a 'thug' friend of mine; I told him how I was out one night, and a lot of gangsta guys showed up, and it ruined the vibe.

He said the same thing to me, that you are saying now. 'We just want to listen to good music, have a good time and meet some new people. Don't exclude us on the fun just because we dress a certain way.'

Wise words. But, John you have to admit that the stereo type does hold true for a reason. Its hard to tell the good ones from the bad ones, especially when they dress so similarly.

i think you're special John

I'll wear a suit and jack all y'all bitch asses


but yes, try not to judge if you can help it.

2PAC LYRICS

"Definition Of A Thug Nigga"

"Nobody's, closing me out of my business" [repeat 2X]
[2Pac] My definition of a thug nigga
"Nobody's, closing me out of my business"

[Verse One: 2Pac]

I played the cards I was given, thank God I'm still livin
Pack my nine til it's time to go to prison
As I'm bailin down the block that I come from, still gotta pack a gun
Case some young mother******s wanna play dumb
I guess I live life forever jugglin
But I'll be hustlin til the early mornin cause I'm strugglin
Like drinkin liquor make the money come quicker
Gettin pages from my bitch it's time to dick her
I ain't in love with her, I just wanna be the one to hit her
Drop off and let the next nigga get her
That's the way it goes, it's time to shake a hoe, make the dough
Break a hoe when it's time to make some mo'
I keep my finger on the trigger of my Glock
Ridin down the block lickin shots at the punk-ass *cops*
And spittin game through my mobile phone
The type of shit to get them hoes to bone
My Definition of a Thug Nigga

[Chorus: (various samples)]

"Tis the season, to be servin" "What you doin?"
"Mob-mobbin like a mother******" -- [Snoop Doggy Dogg]
[repeat 3X]
"Tis the season, to be servin" [scratched by Warren G]

[Verse Two: 2Pac]

Well I roll with a crew of zoo niggaz
They're quick to pulle a nine when it's time do niggaz
Comin through like I'm two niggaz, a true nigga fuck a Zig Zag
Roll me a blunt and pass that brew nigga
I'm drivin drunk on the freeway, so take it ea-sy
Lookin for a new face to skeeze me
Everybody's lookin for a nut but I'm searchin for the big bucks
Give a fuck, rather die than be stuck
in a one-room shack, and, kickin back
Daydreamin with the nine in my lap (huh)
So how's that from the mind of a Thug Nigga
Bought a fo'-five cause I heard that the slug's bigger
Figure the first mother****** to jump'll find hisself
gettin swept off his feet by the pump
I put that on my moms, word to the motherfuckin trigger
Before I go broke I'll be a drug dealer, a Thug Nigga

[Chorus]

[Verse Three: 2Pac]

Short than a mother****** snatched up by one-time
Make a phone call and be back to ball by lunchtime
So here we go, we in the inner city
I keep my hand on my gat and stay cool, my attitude is shitty
Niggaz don't like me cause I'm makin ends
Roll in a Benz and I blaze a blunt, cause I'm all in
And any nigga trying to take what I got'll
hafta deal with the sixteen-shot Glock (huh)
So here we go, I can't be faded
Happy in the mother******, finally made it
Got my money in my pocket, finger on the trigger
And I ain't takin shit from no niggaz
I'm just tryin to make some money right
Put some motherfuckin food in my tummy right
I'm feelin good like I'm supposed to, ready to ball
Find a spot and we can serve em all
My Definition of a Thug Nigga

there was a time in toronto when blacks owned most of the house music scene. And id say that applied to most of the world as well. Most people dont realize that techno and especially house is as black as hip hop. But like rock, it evolved into a mostly white man's genre. I truely think the same will happen to hip hop as well.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 there was a time in toronto when blacks owned most of the house music scene. And id say that applied to most of the world as well. Most people dont realize that techno and especially house is as black as hip hop. But like rock, it evolved into a mostly white man's genre. I truely think the same will happen to hip hop as well.

whats next on "their" list then for music, once they quit Hip hop/rap?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I truely think the same will happen to hip hop as well.

nope.

the brothaz own this forever dude.

turntablism, sure... already own it... but straight up rap nah.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore nope. the brothaz own this forever dude. turntablism, sure... already own it... but straight up rap nah.

we'll see..

thats what they said about rock music

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Originally posted by Jayx1 there was a time in toronto when blacks owned most of the house music scene. And id say that applied to most of the world as well. Most people dont realize that techno and especially house is as black as hip hop. But like rock, it evolved into a mostly white man's genre. I truely think the same will happen to hip hop as well.

This was about "Thugs" not "Black people"....make the differentiation.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Thug does not equal Black.

nope, but definition of a thug nigga by 2pac (who is black), i believe is what he responded to.

could be wrong tho.

and the term 'thug' has been glorified by young black males for years.....

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 This was about "Thugs" not "Black people"....make the differentiation.

um... im pretty sure that most of the crowd at the system hip hop nights were black. And as floorwhore said. Im not the one that associated young black males with that label. From what ive seen they have given themselves that label.

But ill give u E for effort

^^^ I think John is refering to the "Bang" and "Breathe" night thugs though...not the regular hip hop thugs from mid-week.

everyone knows that the hip hop nights at System were a disaster (in terms of a small element of 'problem patrons')...fights, attitude, *really* bad tips vs. fri and sat crowd, etc. The fri. and sat. crowd, 'thugs' included, was always cool (on the many occassions I have been there) while the accounts on the regulr hip hop crowd, from 2 previous employees, one long-term, was rarely positive.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 um... im pretty sure that most of the crowd at the system hip hop nights were black. And as floorwhore said. Im not the one that associated young black males with that label. From what ive seen they have given themselves that label. But ill give u E for effort

A)Thug does not equal black.
B)hip hop is not strictly black music.
C)I and many of my friends all of which are white used to go to
System. Some of my friends were thugs, completley; clothes, music, talk, style everything and all white all at the same time.

You are still not making the differentiation...you just get an E.

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From what ive seen they have given themselves that label.

What have you seen exactly? Black boys with baggy pants? hats sideways? XXXXL shirts - I dont know where you live but in the city white boys, are wearing baggy pants with hats sideways, so are Filipinos, INdians, Italians, Sri Lankans, Greeks....

I would argue that initially "thugs" and the "thug mentality" was smoething that originated in poor parts of America, where rap music was becomming popular, the music fed off the stigma that was attached to the musicians, most of which were Black. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. At the time, rap was thugs music, nowadays hip hop is as commercial as music gets, and has a following of people from all walks of life.

you need to tell all the rapstars then because they obviously didnt get that memo.

99% of the people who perform hip hop are black. Therefore it is still by definition "black music" and the thugz they are reffering to are black.

Not my fault that some stupid suburban white kids decided to try and imitate what is in fact a real culture in inner city america.

nm

HIP HOP is NOT a black thing anymore .... it;s a culture on it's own that's adapted to every ethnic groups. It's like trance, it;s not a europeon thing anymore .... it;s world wide now.

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL HIP HOP is NOT a black thing anymore .... it;s a culture on it's own that's adapted to every ethnic groups. It's like trance, it;s not a europeon thing anymore .... it;s world wide now.

but trance is not 99% european made/performed either. That was my main point.

only thugz from system i know.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess only thugz from system i know.

wow that's a REALLY OLD pic, look at what I'm wearin'. Jesus, it seem like it was just yesterday ....

John you're my favorite thug

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* John you're my favorite thug

But not Jon

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