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Trance Scene in T.O. circa 1999

Most won't remember but between 1996 and 1999 (approx) Toronto had one of the largest if not the largest rave scene in North America.

I wish our scene could come up with creative concepts like this again:

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i remember the days when the scene in this city used to have some pretty creative ideas for venues and event concepts like the CN Tower for a Nitrous party, Science Centre for Citrus, and Roy Thompson Hall for the Nokia one ..

since then we've been surpassed by cities like San Francisco, Montreal, New York, and Miami just to name a few. it seems as if we've really regressed from those days. Where all we can look forward to now is the same old club parties with the same old formulas ala. UltraSpin, Labour of Love, etc. year after year after year..

in my mind this whole movement really died when Wintergalactic 2002 was shot down after their failed attempt. there are some really amazing venues in this city like Downsview Park, MetroCon, Fort York, Mel Lastman Square, among others which hav yet to be explored in this manner. i don't know whether it's the politics in the city to blame, the people, or just the fact that the well of creativity and vision has just gone dry.

again it's sad seeing how TO has so much potential for something great but really fails.. or rather no longer acts on it.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Most won't remember but between 1996 and 1999 (approx) Toronto had one of the largest if not the largest rave scene in North America. I wish our scene could come up with creative concepts like this again:

sadly the government and the media put a stop to all of that. I dont think those days will ever happen here again unless we get someone in office who will relax the bullshit rules.

People to thank for the horseshit that happened in 1999-2000

a) Liberal MPP Sandra Pupatello (Ontario rave act)
b) former toronto councilman Tom Jakobek
c) Chief Fantino
d) Toronto Island Residents (yes they were whining way back then as well!)
e) the media for sensationalizing everything about raves. Especially CITY-TV

And dont hold your breath. Its actually about to get worse

Not to mention that Fantino has been nominated to become CHIEF OF THE ONTARIO PROVINCIAL POLICE. Good times ahead!

Its the rave crackdown that actually made me look at politics and started my political mind working. It made me stop and scrutinize just who exactly it was that was controlling our everyday lives.

I think it would be pretty cool to see some kind of EDM event at Dundas square.... seems like a pretty good size, dont know how well it would work out though

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Originally posted by teufel-man I think it would be pretty cool to see some kind of EDM event at Dundas square.... seems like a pretty good size, dont know how well it would work out though

the city would never allow it in 2006. Take a time machine to 1996 if you want stuff like that to happen

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Originally posted by teufel-man I think it would be pretty cool to see some kind of EDM event at Dundas square.... seems like a pretty good size, dont know how well it would work out though

it's very dooable actually.. all of the permit rules are pretty clearly stated on their website at www.ydsquare.ca

all it really takes is for someone with enough initiative (and money) to put something forward. The venue has been used on many occasions for concerts, corporate launch parties, and political demonstrations to name a few.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL MetroCon,

if ur refering to the convention centre.. i don't think it'd be a financially viable option... it's UBER expensive.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL it's very dooable actually.. all of the permit rules are pretty clearly stated on their website at www.ydsquare.ca all it really takes is for someone with enough initiative (and money) to put something forward. The venue has been used on many occasions for concerts, corporate launch parties, and political demonstrations to name a few.

until the neighbours have it shut down due to noise. Plus it would have to end at 11 no questions asked. Thats if you can even be insured as a rave.

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Originally posted by Halycon if ur refering to the convention centre.. i don't think it'd be a financially viable option... it's UBER expensive.

convention centre raves used to happen all the time. As well as international centre. Once the rave shit hit the fan and the media sensationalized it the operators of those places refused to rent to raves and insurers refused to cover it.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 sadly the government and the media put a stop to all of that. I dont think those days will ever happen here again unless we get someone in office who will relax the bullshit rules. People to thank for the horseshit that happened in 1999-2000 a) Liberal MPP Sandra Pupatello (Ontario rave act) b) former toronto councilman Tom Jakobek c) Chief Fantino d) Toronto Island Residents (yes they were whining way back then as well!) e) the media for sensationalizing everything about raves. Especially CITY-TV And dont hold your breath. Its actually about to get worse Not to mention that Fantino has been nominated to become CHIEF OF THE ONTARIO PROVINCIAL POLICE. Good times ahead! Its the rave crackdown that actually made me look at politics and started my political mind working. It made me stop and scrutinize just who exactly it was that was controlling our everyday lives.

it's funny since most of these laws can be repealled through city council (with the right councillors in mind of course). sadly i don't think people in this city are truly bored enough to want to change things by excercising their vote during election time in November. it's funny how a few hundred islanders have more organizational skills and political clout to influence city council in their favour when dozens of clubs, promoters, and thousands of party goers can barely save a venue like the Docks from being shut down.

if you asked me, the scene in this city is a lot smaller than people think it is or at least hasn't developed to the point that it's seen in the same light as other genres of music and art forms.

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Originally posted by Halycon if ur refering to the convention centre.. i don't think it'd be a financially viable option... it's UBER expensive.

yeah I was.. infact large convention halls, sports stadiums, and other large public venues are used to stage big music & art events in cities all around the world, let alone North America.

it could be financially viable, as long as the sponsorship is there and enough people show up.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 until the neighbours have it shut down due to noise. Plus it would have to end at 11 no questions asked. Thats if you can even be insured as a rave.

i believe the 11 PM rule applies to all public venues regardless of the type of music. what constitutes a 'rave' anyway? i don't even know if there's a legal definition for it?? you hit up some 50,000+ person festival in Europe and they don't even call it a 'rave' anymore.

here's an interesting read btw:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2001/...10924/it001.pdf

the rave protocal made it virtually impossible to hold events outside of licenced nightclubs. That coupled with the refusal to rent space led to the end of the parties that used to attract literally 10s of thousands of people per event.

I used to be excited about and happy to be in Toronto. That all changed about 5 years ago.

You should also look up pupatello's rave bill that was passed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the rave protocal made it virtually impossible to hold events outside of licenced nightclubs. That coupled with the refusal to rent space led to the end of the parties that used to attract literally 10s of thousands of people per event. I used to be excited about and happy to be in Toronto. That all changed about 5 years ago. You should also look up pupatello's rave bill that was passed.

well i guess this is our 'legal' definition of what a rave is:

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Explanatory Note The purpose of this Bill is to regulate parties known as raves. The Bill defines a rave as a dance event occurring between 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., for which admission is charged. The Bill prohibits anyone from holding a rave unless the local municipality has issued a permit. No one may promote or organize a rave or sell tickets to a rave unless a permit has been issued. As well, the Bill prohibits anyone from allowing the use of property for the holding of raves unless a permit has been issued for the rave. Municipalities may issue or renew permits subject to conditions. They may also suspend or revoke permits. Permits may be granted for one or many raves. If a permit is issued for raves on an ongoing basis, it expires one year from the date it is issued, unless a shorter period appears on the permit. Circumstances are also prescribed where permits are not to be issued. The Bill requires that permit holders ensure that a person attending a rave leaves if the person is on the premises for an unlawful purpose. The permit holder and the agents and employees of the permit holder may request that such persons leave immediately, and if the request is not complied with, they may forcibly remove the person. The Bill gives police officers the authority to enter any place where they reasonably believe a rave is being held in violation of the Act or a by�law made under it. Police officers may also require all persons to vacate the premises, if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the Act or a by�law is being violated, or that a disturbance or breach of the peace sufficient to constitute a threat to public safety is being caused. Municipalities may restrict the geographic areas in the municipality where raves may be held, prescribe standards for the holding of raves, require applicants to provide local residents with notice of an application, and fix fees for applications. The Bill provides for two types of offences. First, persons who promote or hold a rave without a permit, allow their property to be used for the purposes of holding a rave without a permit, knowingly provide false information in an application, or fail to meet specific obligations imposed by the Act, by a by�law or by a permit. For such offences, corporations can be fined up to $50,000, individuals face up to a $10,000 fine or up to six months imprisonment or to both. Second, persons who attend a rave and fail to abide by a direction to vacate the premises. For this offence, individuals can be fined up to $5,000.

the protocol in it's entirety can be found here:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/bills/73371.htm


so basically we can still have parties in large public venues... as long as they end by 2 AM. oh joy!

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Originally posted by dEsidEL so basically we can still have parties in large public venues... as long as they end by 2 AM. oh joy! [/color]

and have 1 paid duty cop per 50 people. Now you see why im so political these days. Because politics took our fun away while no one was looking.

Perhaps this sheds light on my negative attitude toward the restrictive laws that keep getting passed.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 and have 1 paid duty cop per 50 people. Now you see why im so political these days. Because politics took our fun away while no one was looking.

actually in one of the links i posted it says 1 for every 500 .. unless this has changed?

Just turn "raves" into family events and you can have them anywhere, anytime. Like Tiesto at Disney Land in Paris. Simple.

i've always wanted to see a party thrown at Atlantis in Ontario Place...tell me thats not a fucking AWESOME venue.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL actually in one of the links i posted it says 1 for every 500 .. unless this has changed?

That PDF u liked to says 1 per every 100.

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Originally posted by Adamo i've always wanted to see a party thrown at Atlantis in Ontario Place...tell me thats not a fucking AWESOME venue.

Back in the Day Destiny held there Ascension Parties there, so much fun. Especially when they had the fireworks going.. Ascension Parties 6-14 were there!

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar That PDF u liked to says 1 per every 100.

50 or a hundred... either way its overkill and cost prohibitive. Which was exactly the point.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 50 or a hundred... either way its overkill and cost prohibitive. Which was exactly the point.

I think i agree, moreso that the reasons of needed security for our protection i imagine!

Ha! I was just thinking back to those days in the 90s the other day.

There was atleast two big events in the city to choose from every weekend!

In the summers you could find something going on everyday of the week!

Locations of raves would never be announced until the day of the event and often you could look forward to new venues.

Yep, it was definitely different back then.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar That PDF u liked to says 1 per every 100.

this is what i read..

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9. Paid Duty Officers As a guideline, for raves in excess of 500 patrons, there will be a minimum of two Paid Duty Officers (PDO�s), and a ration of one per 500 patrons. Based on a review of the location and availability of private security, the commander of the appropriate police division may amend this guideline.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL this is what i read..

iu wonder wtf i read then.

im too lazy (too drunk) to go back and tlook right nwo.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar I think i agree, moreso that the reasons of needed security for our protection i imagine!

more like making the rules unreasonable so that its hard to throw a party. And at the same time making the city and the cops a lot of extra cash while they are at it.

Most rules arent made with our safety in mind. They are designed to earn revenue. Safety just happens to be a good PR by-product. And even then, most of the time its all about image more than substance. 1 cop per 50 is overkill. 1 per 500-1000 is about right.

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