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Posted by sterilis on Aug-21-2006 12:27:

Lack of Drive?

i have a problem with making this track drive used 3 basses and eqed them but it still lacks the drive im after. im looking for a drive similar to joc and kearney - exactly. heres a sample of my track to see if anyone can spot the flaws.

thanks

CLIP

Posted by KilldaDJ on Aug-21-2006 12:46:

id put it down to a bad bass pattern

if my track doesnt have that drive, id scrap it and start all over again, but then again i only really produce hard dance so its hard to have a weak bassline yer?

Posted by PutBoy on Aug-21-2006 13:33:

So you added more bass tracks to make it more drivy?

Listen, more is not better, better is better.

Posted by [Alpha]Dave on Aug-21-2006 13:54:

I'd say you should mute one channel at the time and listen if the groove changes. Because sometimes there might just be a rhythm in the percs, sequences etc that slows it down. I tend to do this once in a while.

/Dave

Posted by Lindo on Aug-21-2006 15:52:

^------- +1

I don't 3 basslines is really that great of an idea. The mix is probably going to get cluttered too easily, especially since you still need a few pads, some lead synths, some samples and all that. I'd say mute each bassline and then turn them back on 1 by 1 and see which fits the track best. Personally I think the rolling bassline should be a little different. That KbBb pattern I don't think fits the track all that well. The track has a nice dreamy feel to it right now though. I don't think it really needs a huge drive maybe some funky percs would do though.

Posted by sterilis on Aug-21-2006 16:24:

i just cant get basses right. been trying everything under the sun to get a good bass and i still cant do it. i dont no whats going wrong with them, whether its the sound itself, the pattern or what. ifi could get my bass right my tracks would move up to a new level.

Posted by funkysouls on Aug-21-2006 16:28:

Give it some time, get back to it with fresh ears.

Posted by Lindo on Aug-21-2006 18:54:

Barry try experimenting with some new sounds. Mess around with some random patches and just go with it. Get on msn sometime soon.

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-21-2006 19:24:

Cut out one of the bass patterns. Your main problem is that you're muddying up your low end, not that you have no drive. You think you haven't created drive, but you have. It's in your hats.

So make your low end tighter, maybe also delay your high end and mid range a millisecond or so to make your bass push the higher frequencies a bit. This last one is a trick that BT uses in somnambulist to push the song along. That's why it sounds faster than it really is.

Posted by Biatchzxz on Aug-21-2006 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave
I'd say you should mute one channel at the time and listen if the groove changes. Because sometimes there might just be a rhythm in the percs, sequences etc that slows it down. I tend to do this once in a while.

/Dave

Dude. Id say this is best answer Ive heard about ANYTHING in a long time...

Open up my head. Cause i think i found a problem of mine

Posted by Lindo on Aug-21-2006 20:03:

thoughtlessjex: how would you go about making your low end tighter? what effect should be applied to do that? just a multiband compressor?

Posted by Channel Surfer on Aug-21-2006 20:22:

as somone mentioned earlier, the pattern isn't a "drive" pattern. having the bass hit on the off beat doesn't drive it bounces...

listen to psy trance bls....straight 16th notes...that's drive...although I don't think that's what you want for this one...

although listen to some deep voices tracks.....they've got that sexy but driving clean trance bassline down....

i think it's like a 16th note pattern with the first two 16th at low velocity, the third a little higher, and the forth one pretty hard...

makes the intensity rise and fall with one beat!

although, as someone else said earlier, this track is dreamy and nice. and actually quite dancable....so i might leave well enough alone with the pattern and use that 16th technique on the next tune...

cheers.

channel

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-21-2006 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Lindo
thoughtlessjex: how would you go about making your low end tighter? what effect should be applied to do that? just a multiband compressor?

When I said make it tighter, I was saying basically pare down your basslines. Don't use three, but just have one that provides some flow. Like I said, you have no drive problems, IMO, but your sound is really muddy in the low end. Cleaning out your low end of necessary elements will help with that.

Posted by ReflexLawn on Aug-22-2006 09:00:

i think your kick may be fractionaly too loud and the hats which come in at 24 seconds need to come up and out of the mix a bit.

the bass sound u have used is very bassy but with little peak or punch, thus it is merging with your kick drum, making it sound like u simply have a 4x4 extended kick. so u are lacking the alternating bass that can offer quite alot of drive.

you may also not want to vary the bass line absolutely with the melody, just keep it in key, a driving bass line tends to be quite simple.

finaly, you may want to try and give more drive from somethign new in the high or mid section.

IMO

Posted by Eldritch on Aug-22-2006 13:03:

Reducing the decay on the bass sound can help tighten it up.