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Do you think commercial electronica is always a bad thing?

I would like to get some input on this topic and see where all of you stand on this.

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Originally posted by beefy k I would like to get some input on this topic and see where all of you stand on this.

First, what is your definition of commercial electronica???

Tiesto. He has been attracting alot of newbees to the scene. People that aren't appreciators of electronica but just want to experience something new and say they saw Tiesto to their friends in class or at work.
This sort of behaviour ruins our experience at parties.

On the other hands i like how its gaining a reputation as an artform. I have spoken to numerous people that are gaining appreciation of it just out of personal interest. They really emphasize how great the atmosphere and people are at most kinds of electronica parties (of course there are you odd sketch-fests).

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Originally posted by beefy k (of course there are you odd sketch-fests).

Me? a sketch-fest? never!

It doesn't ruin my experience at parties

I don't see any difference these days between Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk, Armin van Buuren...

You should see the festivals in Europe, electronica has long been mainstream

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Originally posted by beefy k This sort of behaviour ruins our experience at parties.

Strongly, STRONGLY disagree.

Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

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Originally posted by beefy k I would like to get some input on this topic and see where all of you stand on this.

The only proulbem that I have is when people come to raves that don't usally and start fights. If they keep the fighting out and just dance, "Great Having Them"

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Originally posted by starsearcher It doesn't ruin my experience at parties I don't see any difference these days between Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk, Armin van Buuren... You should see the festivals in Europe, electronica has long been mainstream

I understand that, but i'm limiting this to the states and canada.

For too long has music been about the performer. This is a perversion of the art. The medium is the music, NOT the musician. The general population in north american can't comprehend real music appreciation. I know music is not everyones thing, but kids that do like it get sucked into all of this SHIT called music. Most rock, rap and R&B thats sole purpose is to feed of the youth and fuck up their perception of reality and living lives that they really want to. Not all of this materialistic, ego-centric BULLSHIT.

I'm pretty passionate about this. Its got to fucking stop.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

I 100% agree with you. I love that there is a wide spread acceptance, but i don't want these kids to come to the party JUST for Tiesto, like they are seeing their fav singer or something and wear tiesto t-shirts and holding signs and shit.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

I agree, I don't know where this generalization about 'commercial EDM always being bad thing?' even came from.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

Well Said

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Strongly, STRONGLY disagree. Eliticism kills the scene, acceptance helps it grow.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally posted by beefy k For too long has music been about the performer. This is a perversion of the art. The medium is the music, NOT the musician.

Each performer has his own way of playing the medium...if it was just about the music I'd stay at home and listen to my music collection...not to mention save a WHACK of $$$. The performer makes the show.

The reason I go to these parties is to see the performers...(or hang out with friends), not just to listen to tunes...

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Originally posted by beefy k I 100% agree with you. I love that there is a wide spread acceptance, but i don't want these kids to come to the party JUST for Tiesto, like they are seeing their fav singer or something and wear tiesto t-shirts and holding signs and shit.

Why not, when these "kids" come to the party they sometimes end up falling in love with the music and want to go out more. Which in the end is helping the electronica community grow.

Why did you go to your first party???

Ok.

You guys are missing my point.

Think about Rap and Hip-hop. Where it came from. How it grew.

Look at what kind of shit they are selling now. K-Fed. Fucking K-Fed. All of these are rappers. Dime a dozen. They just want to make a quick buck now. Its not about the music.

I'll refine my question and ask:

Do you think that one day electronica will be dominated by bullshit like Rap and R&B has or will it predominately continue to be about the music? Will 16 year olds start dressing like djs and and buying decks and never use them?

(The rap example was used because there was a day when it actually had a meaning. Now its cars, big asses and mansions.)

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Originally posted by beefy k For too long has music been about the performer. This is a perversion of the art. The medium is the music, NOT the musician. The general population in north american can't comprehend real music appreciation.

i'm sorry but that makes no sense

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Originally posted by TJB Why not, when these "kids" come to the party they sometimes end up falling in love with the music and want to go out more. Which in the end is helping the electronica community grow. Why did you go to your first party???

because i love music. bottom line.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie i'm sorry but that makes no sense

Please explain to me how that does not make sense.

OMG
EVERYONE IS AGREEING WITH COSMIC FUR

Hey beefy....there's a guy in your avatar pic wearing Tiesto's lable T-shirt

And I don't mind electronica growing...last few days my alarm clock went off with "This is not MIAMI"...and I fuckin' freaked...I mean how sweet is that...what a great tune to wake up to.

I wear a Tiesto shirt to Tiesto because I'm a really big Tiesto fan - and what's wrong with being a Tiesto fan? Or a PVD fan? Or an Armin fan?

What's wrong with the DJs making lots of $$? Many of them earned it...hell they shoveled shit for it so let them have some fun.

we need more commerical dance music. Thats what gets kids into the music. Energy 108 and Hot 103 did just that in the 90s. Its why the scene in europe and the rest of the world is so big. You wont see people freaking out because a song is on the radio.

The problem with Toronto these days is that when a good song manages gets on the radio, its played 100 thousand times and its always added 6 months to a year later.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie i'm sorry but that makes no sense

I'm sorry, what i meant to say is that the music is the message, and the musician is the medium.

OK if i see and of you guys at TIL tonight we'll have a little chat and i'll explain myself better

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Originally posted by beefy k Please explain to me how that does not make sense.

music is a point of view, just because you don't agree with other peoples perception on music; it doesen't give you the right to lable them wrong.

you generalize too much from a narrow perspective

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Originally posted by beefy k I'm sorry, what i meant to say is that the music is the message, and the musician is the medium. OK if i see and of you guys at TIL tonight we'll have a little chat and i'll explain myself better

So why are you going to TIL tonight and not some local house club where some joe blow is spinning?

if electronic music doesn't cross over into mainstream culture here, don't ever expect to see big parties or festivals in Toronto like you see overseas. not only that but it doesn't help our local talent or scene either.

there's good and bad electronic music, just like there is good and bad rock, hiphop, top40, or whatever else..

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I think most ppl here will generally agree that the advantages of having electronic music go commercial/mainstream far outweigh its disadvantages

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