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Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-25-2006 16:48:

Survivor: Cook Islands - teams separated by race - Sept 14th premiere

I am kind of excited about this season because of this twist. I will watch closely the first few episodes before the merges.

What do you all think?


quote:
A Racy Twist for "Survivor"
E! - 8.23.06

by Gina Serpe



Some may call it exploiting racial tensions. CBS calls it darn good television.

Jeff Probst popped in on The Early Show Wednesday morning, confirming the reports that the 20 castaways for Survivor: Cook Islands will be grouped by race, with competitors divided into four tribes consisting of whites, blacks, Asians and Hispanics.

Apparently, "separate but equal" holds only the warmest of connotations for Mark Burnett.

Like a good host, Probst had nothing but praise for the producers' controversial brainchild, calling the exercise in segregation a valuable social experiment, rather than a stunt to dig up some controversy--and raise ratings.

"The idea for this actually came from the criticism that Survivor was not ethnically diverse enough, because for whatever reason, we always have a low number of minority applicants apply for the show," Probst said.

"So we set out and said, 'Let's turn this criticism into creative for the show.' And I think it fits perfectly with what Survivor does, which is, it is a social experiment. And this is adding another layer to that experiment, which is taking the show to a completely different level."

Different level, yes. Good level, still to be determined.

"If I had been a producer of this show, it is not an idea I would have come up with or given approval to," Robert Thompson, director of the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University, told E! Online. "It's like a return back to segregated leagues in sports. The unseemly interest this will invite certainly is not worth the dramatic elements it's going to bring."

"To the less-than-open minded person, it is very easy to trash us," Burnett explained to Entertainment Weekly. "But we're smart enough to not make it negative. We're smart enough to have gotten rid of every racist person in casting."

Though more to the point, the producers haven't and can't weed out every racially sensitive person in their audience who may take offense to the seemingly archaic, and potentially socially irresponsible, division.

While the 43-year-old host admitted that the players themselves had "mixed reactions" to the racial separation, he made clear that the division was not meant to incite any controversy, add to the tension during the competition or simply be viewed as a gimmick.

"Our original idea was simply to have the most ethnically diverse group of people on TV. It wasn't until we got to casting and started noticing this theme of ethnic pride that we started thinking, 'Wow, if culture is still playing such a big part in these people's lives, that's our idea. Let's divide them based on ethnicity,' " he said.

Though not everyone is as excited about the idea as Probst and his Survivor crew.

"It sounds like a gimmick a lot of people are going to have real issues as to the taste of," Thompson said.

Referencing Burnett's previous experiments on Survivor and The Apprentice to divide teams by boys vs. girls and, more recently on the latter, by street smarts vs. book smarts, Thompson said that "these things don't often work so well in less dicey situations."

And any publicity is good publicity, right?

"As far as getting some attention, getting it talked about again, this'll do it," Thompson said. "Survivor is a great game. It's the gold standard of reality TV. But nobody seems to talk about it anymore."

Or watch it.

Survivor: Cook Islands will be the reality show's 13th installment and comes on the heels of the least watched season in the series' history. Despite garnering an Emmy nod for Best Reality Competition, Survivor: Panama--Exile Island averaged a franchise-low 16.8 million viewers. Hence the drastic measure.

CBS Entertainment president Nina Tassler told EW that while she was hesitant to give the go-ahead on the "risky idea," she finally relented, saying it was the logical next step in "a show that explores social politics."

"It's not just 18 white people," Probst told the magazine. "Suddenly you have new slang, new rituals--people doing things like making fire in ways that haven't been done on Survivor. I think we have a season where people will say you can never go back to what you were before."

It's not the first time a primetime reality show has flirted with race, though it will be the first time one follows through.

Last year, Donald Trump hinted that The Apprentice was toying with the idea of dividing his two teams by race, only to backtrack on the notion when backlash started up, saying "I personally don't like it, so it will never happen."


Posted by preppie chick on Aug-25-2006 16:52:

I'm gonna be all over it...

Out of all the reality shows that came out since the reality fever, Survivor is the only one that keeps on adding twists and doesn't really get old.


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 16:52:



Azns ftw!


Posted by slingshot on Aug-25-2006 16:54:

do they get to have a racial draft before it starts?


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 16:56:



btw. i guess people of Middle Eastern and South Asian descent have not yet crossed over into mainstream America to the point where they are considered a tribe..

and what about the Samoans??


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Aug-25-2006 16:57:

Darky vs Honky

This shall be good


Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-25-2006 16:58:

613 is all over this shit.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Aug-25-2006 17:01:

In the history of the show I think they've had one black contestant that could swim.... the show is on an island.... looks like the black teams in trouble.


Posted by preppie chick on Aug-25-2006 17:05:


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 17:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
In the history of the show I think they've had one black contestant that could swim.... the show is on an island.... looks like the black teams in trouble.




true.. but if racial stereotypes should perpetuate on this show, the blacks will have the one up when it comes to speed and strength in the open areas, the asians should dominate the mathematical challenges, latinos not really doing anything but enjoying their stay there, and the whites will probably just end up taking everyone over in the end..


Posted by sKyBreAK on Aug-25-2006 17:09:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL


true.. but if racial stereotypes should perpetuate on this show, the blacks will have the one up when it comes to speed and strength in the open areas, the asians should dominate the mathematical challenges, latinos not really doing anything but enjoying their stay there, and the whites will probably just end up taking everyone over in the end..



well put desidel
hahaha


Posted by preppie chick on Aug-25-2006 17:12:








Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-25-2006 17:13:

emery check it out!

she is hot!



and this guy, AAAAAH!



and the white represented by the hippie :



anyways, i am having some serious problems telling apart the races based on look in the cast shots. (i can't tell apart the whites and the hispanics)


Posted by Moral Hazard on Aug-25-2006 17:14:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL


true.. but if racial stereotypes should perpetuate on this show, the blacks will have the one up when it comes to speed and strength in the open areas, the asians should dominate the mathematical challenges, latinos not really doing anything but enjoying their stay there, and the whites will probably just end up taking everyone over in the end..



No you have it wrong.... if racial stereotypes hold true on this show then the whites will form a limited liability corporation, hire the latinos at unfair wages to compete in the challenges for them, the asians will improve the white's business model and dominate the game while the blacks are busy stealing the camera equipment.


Posted by Kytracid on Aug-25-2006 17:15:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL


true.. but if racial stereotypes should perpetuate on this show, the blacks will have the one up when it comes to speed and strength in the open areas, the asians should dominate the mathematical challenges, latinos not really doing anything but enjoying their stay there, and the whites will probably just end up taking everyone over in the end..



Alternatively, they'll enslave the blacks, get the latino's to do the gardening and campwork in exchange for a handful of fava beans and outsource all craft and manufacturing related activities to the asians. It'll be the manifest destiny strategy to winning Survior.


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 17:16:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
emery check it out!

she is hot!



and this guy, AAAAAH!



and the white represented by the hippie :



anyways, i am having some serious problems telling apart the races based on look in the cast shots. (i can't tell apart the whites and the hispanics)




thanks Marg... but i think i'll take the hippie over the Azn girl

it's really too bad they don't have an Arab-American tribe LOL


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No you have it wrong.... if racial stereotypes hold true on this show then the whites will form a limited liability corporation, hire the latinos at unfair wages to compete in the challenges for them, the asians will improve the white's business model and dominate the game while the blacks are busy stealing the camera equipment.




lol.. are we to assume then that a subset of the white tribe consists of Jews??


Posted by Kytracid on Aug-25-2006 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL


lol.. are we to assume then that a subset of the white tribe consists of Jews??



The jews are everywhere, why should a deserted island be any different.


Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 17:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Kytracid
The jews are everywhere, why should a deserted island be any different.




As the producers of the show and owners of CBS, you're probably right! in the end, the jews win!


Posted by cono_sur on Aug-25-2006 17:25:

LOL Love the posts! I'm actually inclined to tune in now... I haven't seen a Survivor since season 2 or 3.


Posted by Abercrombie on Aug-25-2006 17:27:

My favourite Survivor of all time...







My heart still flutters each time I see her.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Aug-25-2006 17:55:




my favorite survivor was:



.......RUDY!!!!




Posted by dEsidEL on Aug-25-2006 18:22:



heh hilarious ..




Posted by shanny on Aug-25-2006 18:24:

This could be disasterous if you ask me, but should be entertaining.


Posted by zokissima on Aug-25-2006 18:39:

LOL at the comments in this thread.
I'll definitely be watching this.


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