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Trance Basses! HELP!

Hey guys, I've got a few questions on trance basses.

I started to actually LISTEN closely to trance basses, and I noticed that some have 2 different basses. One sub-bass, and another bass that you can hear and sort of feel, it's not in the sub range however. I can't hear both at the same time. I can only hear what sticks out...I can't really explain it.

When there are two basses, a sub and the noticble bass, what does each play? I THINK the sub usually sticks to playing the same note, while the more noticeable bass plays it's note octave. If you can give me an example, that would be sweet. Thanks guys.

It's all about your imagination. You can have the subbass play whatever notes. Just make sure that what notes it does play don't make the low end muddy because there's too many notes.

If you want a pumpy feel then try an offbeat sidechained sub bass and then have the top bassline play some rolling bassline or whatever you please. Or you can even have them both play the rolling bassline, just don't let it get too messy sounding.

Try this one i posted a while ago! maybe it could help!

I do like this.

Step one.

Layer one.
A dry bottom end around 40 - 80hz , play around with eq and Audiorealism Bassline.

Layer Two.
A mid bass with some delay and reverb around 125hz, play around with eq, delay, reverb and some stereoexpansion to get that egde that cuts through the mix, and also bring some warmth, Novation V-station is good here.

Layer Three.
A high bass with more delay and reverb around 4000-8000hz, not much of this, just to get some air and clarity and fills the mix more. Here i use ReFX Beast, got that sharp and wide sound.

Step Two

And its important to listen so that the kick gets the room in the bottom that it needs.To make it a bit more present Cut around cut at 35z AND give it a little boost at the same range 35hz, then you can cut at 150hz to take away some of the rumble, last you can give it a small boost around 2500hz to get it more agressive.

I dont compress the kick, but i depends on how good the kick is, but i usually dont.

Step three.

Here i have created a RETURN/SEND track in my sequencer (Live 5), and i name it BASSCOMP. Put in a compressor, here i use Waves Renaissance Compressor with these settings.

Manuel/Electro/Smooth
Attack: 0.50
Release: 80.3
Treshhold: -8.0
Ratio: 8.09
Gain: 0.0

Step four:

I set the KICK, BOTTOM LAYER + MID LAYER, to SENDS ONLY, in this case the BASSCOMP, i leave the high bass as it is.

So now you can star mixing, and remember that its often the quality of the sound that makes the diffrens, and it makes your work easyer.
And where u put the notes.

Its not pretty, but it works for me :P

Cheers
Christian

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Originally posted by substorm I set the KICK, BOTTOM LAYER + MID LAYER, to SENDS ONLY, in this case the BASSCOMP, i leave the high bass as it is.

You're using Ableton right, why don't you just send them to a new group (audio) instead of to a Send. Same effect, maybe just a tad more convenient. Just a suggestion .

- farris

Dont know! never thought of it !

and in some cases if you want your bass to really come together give it a delay using a good amount of feed back usually it helps just so you have a coverd bass line but dont do it all the time always try and experiment with other effects too

substorm why is your ratio so high? just curious because i always thought it should be based on how much it peaks and what not.

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Originally posted by DJ KING#1 and in some cases if you want your bass to really come together give it a delay using a good amount of feed back usually it helps just so you have a coverd bass line but dont do it all the time always try and experiment with other effects too

Yeah... this works good for rolling basses, but make you put an automation or a pass over the very sub end so that your entire track isn't drown in a sea of muddiness.

I just gotta say, wow! That dramatically improved my basses substorm. THANKS!

Mine still need work but it sounds even better!

Good, im glad it helped!

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Originally posted by substorm Good, im glad it helped!

Any chance of a sound clip?

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Originally posted by substorm Layer Two. A mid bass with some delay and reverb around 125hz, play around with eq, delay, reverb and some stereoexpansion to get that egde that cuts through the mix, and also bring some warmth, Novation V-station is good here.

this bit confuses me. does this mean you cut everything under 125hz?

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Originally posted by substorm Layer Three. A high bass with more delay and reverb around 4000-8000hz, not much of this, just to get some air and clarity and fills the mix more. Here i use ReFX Beast, got that sharp and wide sound.

again is this cutting everything under 4000 hz?

thanks

nice one!

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Originally posted by substorm Try this one i posted a while ago! maybe it could help! I do like this. Step one. Layer one. A dry bottom end around 40 - 80hz , play around with eq and Audiorealism Bassline. Layer Two. A mid bass with some delay and reverb around 125hz, play around with eq, delay, reverb and some stereoexpansion to get that egde that cuts through the mix, and also bring some warmth, Novation V-station is good here. Layer Three. A high bass with more delay and reverb around 4000-8000hz, not much of this, just to get some air and clarity and fills the mix more. Here i use ReFX Beast, got that sharp and wide sound. Step Two And its important to listen so that the kick gets the room in the bottom that it needs.To make it a bit more present Cut around cut at 35z AND give it a little boost at the same range 35hz, then you can cut at 150hz to take away some of the rumble, last you can give it a small boost around 2500hz to get it more agressive. I dont compress the kick, but i depends on how good the kick is, but i usually dont. Step three. Here i have created a RETURN/SEND track in my sequencer (Live 5), and i name it BASSCOMP. Put in a compressor, here i use Waves Renaissance Compressor with these settings. Manuel/Electro/Smooth Attack: 0.50 Release: 80.3 Treshhold: -8.0 Ratio: 8.09 Gain: 0.0 Step four: I set the KICK, BOTTOM LAYER + MID LAYER, to SENDS ONLY, in this case the BASSCOMP, i leave the high bass as it is. So now you can star mixing, and remember that its often the quality of the sound that makes the diffrens, and it makes your work easyer. And where u put the notes. Its not pretty, but it works for me :P Cheers Christian

nice one! posted it on muz.logler.com. Thanks!

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Originally posted by dj_kane this bit confuses me. does this mean you cut everything under 125hz? again is this cutting everything under 4000 hz? thanks

More or less, yes! The point with basslayering is to make all three sounds work togheter in all freq, like a "toast" . And then its a matter on how you program your basses and put the cords right. I often have a different sound pattern on the subbass, and another on the highs and mids. A simple |k|bbb| or |k|bb| makes a nice drive in the bottom,a nd make it work tight togheter with the kick low ends. and the highs you can use a pattern like (1 oct up from sub) |k|bb|B|k or something llike that. One that plays 2 oct.

Hope you understod that

Cheers
C

Re: nice one!

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Originally posted by Teemu nice one! posted it on muz.logler.com. Thanks!

Cool!

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Originally posted by substorm More or less, yes! The point with basslayering is to make all three sounds work togheter in all freq, like a "toast" . And then its a matter on how you program your basses and put the cords right. I often have a different sound pattern on the subbass, and another on the highs and mids. A simple |k|bbb| or |k|bb| makes a nice drive in the bottom,a nd make it work tight togheter with the kick low ends. and the highs you can use a pattern like (1 oct up from sub) |k|bb|B|k or something llike that. One that plays 2 oct. Hope you understod that Cheers C

thanks mate thats what was confusing me. so would the high and mid pattern be the same? i always get the patterns wrong.

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Originally posted by dj_kane thanks mate thats what was confusing me. so would the high and mid pattern be the same? i always get the patterns wrong.

Yes, but you can also have like this .
Sub=bbb(1oct lower)
Mid=bbBb(2oct)
high=BB B B(playing at the same oct as the higher cord on the mid). Just an example!

Hope you understand what i mean

Cheers

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