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Posted by Akridrot on Aug-30-2006 03:28:

Annoyances you have with your programs?

What are some features or behaviors that annoy you in some music programs? Do they make you less productive? Should they be dropped, should something be added, or just changed?

FL STUDIO
They need to lose that song playlist thing, I don't like playing with those stupid blocks and being unable to cut them.

Step sequencer is wonderful, but I don't like making songs with the program. They freaking segregate the patterns and audio clips, and don't allow you to chop patterns, it's so awful!

I hate having to switch between patterns as well, it would be awesome to have MORE THAN ONE step sequencer (for diff patterns) opened at once, spread accross the screen. I multitask when I make music, this program holds me back.

Also, that stupid name has to go. FL studio won't cut it, when people ask what FL means they will know it means Fruityloops. Change it completely, Image-line.

Various Sound Editors
For once, I wish I could chop my audio by ear instead of by clicking and clacking. Just make the editor play my wav file, with a click track in the background and a customized snap and I will play all the chops by ear. This saves me time, and makes it much more fun.


Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-30-2006 03:45:

Re: Annoyances you have with your programs?

I'd definitely say more needs to be done in making the playlist more user friendly. I'd love to be able to chop up my patterns.

I disagree on the whole having multiple piano rolls open simultaneously notion. The workspace is cluttered enough as it is.

That's one thing I wish FL would do, is find a way to reduce clutter. I don't know how doable that is without drasitcally altering the workflow. I suppose they could have everything be a separate window, and keep their hotkeys the same. That'd be pretty cool.


Posted by beats and beeps on Aug-30-2006 04:31:

buzz needs a piano roll


Posted by Storyteller on Aug-30-2006 08:29:

lol I got my first release right after I quit Buzz hehe. And Buzz doesn't need a piano roll if you're into the tracker concept. If you want a piano roll, start using FL with the buzz adapter.
I hate it. On the other hand the program has a lot of potential. But I don't like it anyway.


Posted by thoughtlessjex on Aug-30-2006 12:55:

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
buzz needs a piano roll

What Buzz needs is an interface that counts in decimal like everyone else. You shouldn't need a fucking BA in CS to make music.


Posted by KilldaDJ on Aug-30-2006 13:28:

a 2 step undo feature in FL, im still on 3.4 so if u fuck something up u gotta live with it or start all over again


Posted by Thois on Aug-30-2006 15:11:

The stupid bug with samples not being played back the right way in the built-in sampler has to be fixed.

That is sooo annoying.

(FL)


Posted by staticblue on Aug-30-2006 15:25:

FL Studio (and probably some other sequencers)

During playback, when i click on STOP and because the CPU usage is at 100% it keeps playing on and on. Sometimes the whole track plays 5 times before it actually stops. Other times I have to reboot

Usually when this happens, I'm so mad I don't produce until the next day


Posted by sterilis on Aug-30-2006 15:27:

quote:
Originally posted by staticblue
FL Studio (and probably some other sequencers)

During playback, when i click on STOP and because the CPU usage is at 100% it keeps playing on and on. Sometimes the whole track plays 5 times before it actually stops. Other times I have to reboot

Usually when this happens, I'm so mad I don't produce until the next day


this happens to me in cubase. really frustrating.


Posted by Subtle on Aug-30-2006 15:36:

Re: Annoyances you have with your programs?

quote:
Originally posted by Akridrot
FL STUDIO
They need to lose that song playlist thing, I don't like playing with those stupid blocks and being unable to cut them.

Step sequencer is wonderful, but I don't like making songs with the program. They freaking segregate the patterns and audio clips, and don't allow you to chop patterns, it's so awful!

thats why i dropped learning FL.. its horrible not being able to cut or edit a block.


Posted by Subtle on Aug-30-2006 16:15:

Cubase SX 3

the automation on MIDI tracks doesnt lie just beneath the MIDI track but in its own VST Instruments folder.. that i find quite annoying.

also, when importing MIDI files. alot of times the VST instrument changes the preset, i know there are ways around this.. but its not always working.


Posted by Eldritch on Aug-30-2006 17:37:

Reason:

- Sometimes when you want to move the Subtractor synth in the rack, you accidently click one of the screws instead. They will unscrew themselves instead of moving the synth. (It's a pretty neat easter egg but it's mostly annoying)

- Filter automation will sometimes create audible clicks where there shouldn't be if you move the position marker during playback. Sometimes this even appears on the rendered output!
(It's easily solved by closing and reopening the project file though.)

- No dB info on the mixer channels.
- No note length quantize.

These are the only things I can think of at the moment.


Posted by david.michael on Aug-30-2006 19:38:

FL Studio (as of version 5):

Horrible dual-monitor support. I try to use it across two monitors by restoring to a window and dragging it across both screens, but for some reason, Piano Roll and other windows like to start almost all the way off the left side of the screen and I have a very hard time "grabbing" it.

Remember window positions, dammit!

A way to identify "runaway" automations. Perhaps there is a way to do this and I am unaware. But sometimes I will record some knob tweaks, etc. but I will have accidentally selected the actual track of the noise that I want to modify, instead of an automation track (Main Automation, for example). Then I can't find it to change it, delete it, fix it, or it ends prematurely, etc. Perhaps a way to FORCE automations into their own track?

Multiple undos would be nice.


Posted by staticblue on Aug-30-2006 20:12:

quote:
Originally posted by david.michael
FL Studio (as of version 5):

Horrible dual-monitor support. I try to use it across two monitors by restoring to a window and dragging it across both screens, but for some reason, Piano Roll and other windows like to start almost all the way off the left side of the screen and I have a very hard time "grabbing" it.



True, I had problems with that too !


Posted by farris on Aug-30-2006 20:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
Cubase SX 3

the automation on MIDI tracks doesnt lie just beneath the MIDI track but in its own VST Instruments folder.. that i find quite annoying.

Drag the automation track above or beneath the MIDI track
for a better overview. Don't be lazy .

quote:

also, when importing MIDI files. alot of times the VST instrument changes the preset, i know there are ways around this.. but its not always working.

Import the MIDI file and select one of the MIDI tracks you just imported.
Then from the menu: MIDI > Open List Editor.
In there select all the Controller entries from the left
(you basically just want to keep the Note entries),
then press delete.
Presto! No more annoying changing of presets and ALWAYS works.
Hope this will help you a bit with your annoyances .

- farris


Posted by Subtle on Aug-30-2006 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by farris
Drag the automation track above or beneath the MIDI track
for a better overview. Don't be lazy .
thats what im doing.. but its still annoying.. as when i have like 10 instruments going and i need to find it and move it, instead of just pressing the "+"

quote:
Originally posted by farris
Import the MIDI file and select one of the MIDI tracks you just imported.
Then from the menu: MIDI > Open List Editor.
In there select all the Controller entries from the left
(you basically just want to keep the Note entries),
then press delete.
Presto! No more annoying changing of presets and ALWAYS works.
Hope this will help you a bit with your annoyances .

- farris
i believe ive tried that too.. but ill check it out


Posted by hereander on Aug-30-2006 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle

also, when importing MIDI files. alot of times the VST instrument changes the preset, i know there are ways around this.. but its not always working.


oh i know this from other sequencers. please tell me some of your ways around it. that really sucks! quite often i looked at the midifile in an eventeditor and didnt see anything that could cause that behaviour


edit: i'm sorry. i didnt read the threat to the end. but actually i looked for midi-events causing that and i didnt find any... strange thing


Posted by substorm on Aug-30-2006 22:53:

Well, i a problem with live 5, that it sometime doesnt find my soundcard, and i need to reboot the whole computer! Hate that.

And that it takes up more cpu usage than other sequencers. Otherwise i love Ableton


Posted by Subtle on Aug-30-2006 23:54:

quote:
Originally posted by hereander
oh i know this from other sequencers. please tell me some of your ways around it. that really sucks! quite often i looked at the midifile in an eventeditor and didnt see anything that could cause that behaviour


edit: i'm sorry. i didnt read the threat to the end. but actually i looked for midi-events causing that and i didnt find any... strange thing
try copying the notes to a into another piano roll.. that works.


Posted by Synchronicity on Aug-31-2006 18:37:

Reason only having two stereo outs is very annoying.

I'd love to see Cubase SX have a feature where an audio track could be set up as a sampler track - to get rid of the need for Battery, basically. The track would have an easy to use sample browser and also all the sample editing tools in battery/cubase integrated into the track. So (for example) you could easily import a snare, filter it, bitcrush it, create a snare-roll - all in this one sampler track with no vst fx except for verbs or flangers etc. For the snare-roll, volume curves would need to be in discrete steps for each hit (maybe this can already be done, I dunno?).


Posted by Zombie0915 on Aug-31-2006 20:10:

Buzz is beyond repair, which is sad, how anyone could make such a popular program and not back up the source code anywhere is beyond me.

That is very annoying

You really dont need a CS degrtee to read hex though. It is just like MIDI, the parameters can range from 0 to 255, FF is 255 (or 0 to 128 depending on the specific thing you are adjusting), 80 is 128.

That annoys me about midi in general, all the parameters have quite a low resolution for being in 2006. Surely we can spare more than a byte per knob these days. Alot of other things about MIDI could use some improvement too.


Posted by Anz_ on Aug-31-2006 21:30:

i hate all the knobs on synthesizers inside of all my programs, arghh drives me crazy.(jk)


Posted by Centra Spike on Aug-31-2006 21:47:

I can't really fault Logic at all, its almost perfect for me. Apart from exs24 being a bit awkward (having to make instruments). Wish I had a decent sampler that let me quickly flick through samples in a folder from the main window.


Posted by Storyteller on Aug-31-2006 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Synchronicity
Reason only having two stereo outs is very annoying.

I'd love to see Cubase SX have a feature where an audio track could be set up as a sampler track - to get rid of the need for Battery, basically. The track would have an easy to use sample browser and also all the sample editing tools in battery/cubase integrated into the track. So (for example) you could easily import a snare, filter it, bitcrush it, create a snare-roll - all in this one sampler track with no vst fx except for verbs or flangers etc. For the snare-roll, volume curves would need to be in discrete steps for each hit (maybe this can already be done, I dunno?).


All the outs on the reason hardware interface can be routed to cubase to my knowledge...


Posted by Subtle on Aug-31-2006 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Synchronicity
Reason only having two stereo outs is very annoying.

I'd love to see Cubase SX have a feature where an audio track could be set up as a sampler track - to get rid of the need for Battery, basically. The track would have an easy to use sample browser and also all the sample editing tools in battery/cubase integrated into the track. So (for example) you could easily import a snare, filter it, bitcrush it, create a snare-roll - all in this one sampler track with no vst fx except for verbs or flangers etc. For the snare-roll, volume curves would need to be in discrete steps for each hit (maybe this can already be done, I dunno?).
OH YEAH... a SIMPLE sampler... where u simply import a sample. and it plays like a MIDI.. that i have sought after a long time..


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