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Artifical Intelligence on the Internet

Yes, this is a cross-post, I just thought the focus here might be different than the focus on the CORe

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=366859

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Originally posted by Lira There's a short version for the CORe massive at the end of this post. 1. Why the hell is Lira talking about AI? I'm working for the final project for my graduation course. It is, essentially, a dictionary of words and grammar of Japanese language for Brazilian Portuguese speakers (I might translate it all into English, if there's demand and time). However, I wanted it to do more than a paper dictionary can. I've got about 2 years, so there's plenty of time to do that. Basically, what I'm going to use is: Lots of free time, which I'm sure using for study and programming. XHTML & CSS PHP & MySQL (I've developed a few databases, and I managed to do quite well with all the information involved) Perhaps, if ever, some JavaScript Some stuff I've got ahold of lately, related to Philosophy of Language, Philosophy of Mind, Learning Methods, Information Architecture and, of course, AI. 2. So, what's the question here? There are a few things I'm planning to use in the dictionary: A PageRank sort of organisation system. An Orkut-like sort of social community, aimed for students of Japanese. An Amazon-like sort of recommendation and suggestions system. Now, here comes the questions I'd like to ask you guys: Can the organisation behind Amazon and PageRank be considered AI? What kind of problems should I expect to find? Is it too pretentious to consider some work with PHP as being AI? Mind you it's not for a computer course, so it doesn't need to be bleeding-edge technology or anything. Sure, it sounds like something bigger than it actually will be, but keep in mind that the dictionary will not cover more than 2 thousand words (at the initial stage, as it should assist students taking the Japanese Language Proficiency test), and Japanese grammar is not rocket science. I'd like to hear the opinion of those of you who work on the field Short version: a) The intraweb is a series of tubes, not a big truck. b) Neurones, too, are a series of tubes. a + b) Tubular!

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Originally posted by Lira 1. Can the organisation behind Amazon and PageRank be considered AI?

Depends on what you mean by "organization". If you mean those algorithms that lies beneath the recommender systems and the page-ranking, then I would say yes on the first account. I've read several papers on collaborative filtering (which is what fuels recommender systems) from AI conferences and journals. Page-ranking, on the other hand, I would classify as graph manipulation. However, given that we have no clear definition of what it means to be intelligent (nor what it means to be artificial), I guess you can call it what you like.

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Originally posted by Lira 2. What kind of problems should I expect to find?

Go to scholar.google.com and search for "collaborative filtering" and "page ranking". You should be able to find at least some application papers or papers that compare different methodologies for specific tasks. These kinds of papers are usually good at mentioning the practical problems one runs into along the way. (My guess would be that your main concern will be lack of data, or maybe data cases with missing values/observations.)

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Originally posted by Lira 3. Is it too pretentious to consider some work with PHP as being AI? Mind you it's not for a computer course, so it doesn't need to be bleeding-edge technology or anything.

As far as I know PHP is Turing complete, so anything you can accomplish in other computer languages you can accomplish in PHP. Also, cf. the comment about definitions above, you can pretty much argue that TA has embedded AI, if you really wanted to, so I don't think you should be affraid of claiming your eventual work for AI.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Depends on what you mean by "organization". If you mean those algorithms that lies beneath the recommender systems and the page-ranking, then I would say yes on the first account. I've read several papers on collaborative filtering (which is what fuels recommender systems) from AI conferences and journals. Page-ranking, on the other hand, I would classify as graph manipulation. However, given that we have no clear definition of what it means to be intelligent (nor what it means to be artificial), I guess you can call it what you like.

Yeah, this is why I was confused. Some of the stuff I'm planning to use is often considered as an example of "Weak AI", and I do consider them as being analogous to some kind of "thought".

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Originally posted by trancaholic Go to scholar.google.com and search for "collaborative filtering" and "page ranking". You should be able to find at least some application papers or papers that compare different methodologies for specific tasks. These kinds of papers are usually good at mentioning the practical problems one runs into along the way. (My guess would be that your main concern will be lack of data, or maybe data cases with missing values/observations.)

I don't believe I've overlook scholar.google for this long... that thing is amazing! Thanks for the hint

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Originally posted by trancaholic As far as I know PHP is Turing complete, so anything you can accomplish in other computer languages you can accomplish in PHP. Also, cf. the comment about definitions above, you can pretty much argue that TA has embedded AI, if you really wanted to, so I don't think you should be affraid of claiming your eventual work for AI.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Lira I don't believe I've overlook scholar.google for this long... that thing is amazing! Thanks for the hint

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