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Posted by butterball on Aug-31-2006 03:26:

Bpm Lies

Well i don't if it's lying But the new atb song summer rain on the ATB cd says 136bpm and i'm mixing it on my cdjs at 139bpm. What's up with that?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Aug-31-2006 03:35:

I'm guessing your bpm counter shows it wrong. They do that quite often.

Posted by on Aug-31-2006 03:59:

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I'm guessing your bpm counter shows it wrong. They do that quite often.

True.. but I am very impressed with the counters on the CDJ200s... as little as I use them.. they seem to be pretty damn accurate when I tested them out.. but yea.. Never trust them for anything more than maybe a quick reference on the pace of your set..

Posted by nchs09 on Aug-31-2006 05:08:

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Originally posted by J:\Digital
True.. but I am very impressed with the counters on the CDJ200s... as little as I use them.. they seem to be pretty damn accurate when I tested them out.. but yea.. Never trust them for anything more than maybe a quick reference on the pace of your set..
my 800mk2 and 1000mk3 are not.. sometimes im mixing a song that sounds around 132 it shows it @ 79 or @ 230..... which is wierd...

most often im going.... 127 mixing to 129

they are t3h suck dont rly use them them though. sometimes for some songs i do use them to begin gettin close to teh bpm.. but its not necessary

Posted by miamitranceman on Aug-31-2006 05:27:

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Originally posted by nchs09
my 800mk2 and 1000mk3 are not.. sometimes im mixing a song that sounds around 132 it shows it @ 79 or @ 230..... which is wierd...

most often im going.... 127 mixing to 129

they are t3h suck dont rly use them them though. sometimes for some songs i do use them to begin gettin close to teh bpm.. but its not necessary

You must either be spinning breaks or happen to be looking at the counters during and breakdown bc that's really the only time mine eff up in that way.

Posted by Trance Android on Aug-31-2006 10:19:

Yeah BPM counters are a waste of time during breakdowns etc. Like everyone else says don't rely on them... Only use them to get a very quick ball park figure so you can start using your ears to beatmatch it properly.

Posted by Zoso on Aug-31-2006 14:08:

This has been one hesitation for me when it comes to purchasing a CDJ. I'm afraid that I might become "lazy" and rely on the BPM counter too much. However, seeing as how I bedroom DJ only, I ask myself "Does this really matter? " I am doing this for fun and stress relief only.

I'm sure there is a way to turn off the counter, right? And, besides, like everyone has suggested, I'm sure at best it's just a way to "ball park" your BPM. Fine tuning is what the human ear is for.

Isn't it silly to worry over such a thing? Still, I want to challenge myself, and I want my mixes (even though I am the only one to hear them) to come out as flawlessly as possible. Damn Type A personality!

Posted by Protege on Aug-31-2006 14:41:

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Originally posted by Zoso
This has been one hesitation for me when it comes to purchasing a CDJ. I'm afraid that I might become "lazy" and rely on the BPM counter too much. However, seeing as how I bedroom DJ only, I ask myself "Does this really matter? " I am doing this for fun and stress relief only.

I'm sure there is a way to turn off the counter, right? And, besides, like everyone has suggested, I'm sure at best it's just a way to "ball park" your BPM. Fine tuning is what the human ear is for.

Isn't it silly to worry over such a thing? Still, I want to challenge myself, and I want my mixes (even though I am the only one to hear them) to come out as flawlessly as possible. Damn Type A personality!

The bpm counters usually do more harm then good. Cause sometimes Ill be trying to beatmatch and one will say 128 and the other 129 and I will automatically think that the other is too fast but that is not always the case. So if you just ignore it, you should be fine.

The only thing I really use it for is when putting a cd in, if it needs a big adjustment, Ill just ballpark it and change the pitch to where I think itll be.

Oh and one of the best things about cdj vs tt is that you can see exactly what the pitch is at. Its much easier to see that you are +2.26 than say that you are a bit above the +2 on a tt.

Posted by butterball on Aug-31-2006 14:47:

i'm not saying the bpm counter is wrong i figure that atb song isn't really at 136bpm like it says. I even put in mixmiester and mixed to my music software and got it accurately at 139

Posted by nchs09 on Aug-31-2006 15:51:

i dont even use it..... to be honest... the only thing i use on the cdj that requiers me to look down is th wav formatt, time remaninding, and how long the breakdown is..... because i like to throw acapellas...

Posted by Allied Nations on Aug-31-2006 15:53:

Posted by Pete K on Aug-31-2006 17:24:

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Originally posted by miamitranceman
You must either be spinning breaks or happen to be looking at the counters during and breakdown bc that's really the only time mine eff up in that way.

Or dn'b...CDJs hate it lol.

But yeah I've never had a problem with it...it's probably the most accurate BPM counter as far as CDJS are concerned...

Posted by Chris Allen on Aug-31-2006 18:40:

I rarely look at the BPM counter of CDJ's, maybe just a quick reference to see what tempo I'm working with but that's about it.

Posted by Abhay on Sep-01-2006 02:26:

u should try setting up the range for the counter to work in.

but yeah. kind of unreliable, because they only use the bass to detect the speed of the beat. So if u have a complex bassline or cut out the bass, they kind of struggle.