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Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-02-2006 13:10:

Sound Setup?

Cant get my setup to sound right, Ive just got some KRK RP8 I am unsure on want to set the volume at and the HF adjustment to.

When i am mixing and ive got two tracks playing it sounds like there is to much happing going on.

I have my mids and lows at centre 12 o clock and high at 3 o clock.
got the gains set same.

Any one got any tips?

Sounds bit newbie

Thx


Posted by dark_Omens on Sep-02-2006 14:04:

Thats because there probably is too much going on. Try keeping the highs a bit lower (at 11 o'clock or so) along with the mids. When you mix in, turn one set of highs to full while turning the other set of highs to 11 o'clock (if not a little more). If you do this at transition points, it will sound good.


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-02-2006 15:35:

yea i understand that, what dont sound rite is u cant hear the beats clashing together much, u can hear it if I turn the volume down low. I am thinking it might be somthing to do with my room and having the volume high!

Thx


Posted by DOOMBOT on Sep-02-2006 15:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Penfold99
yea i understand that, what dont sound rite is u cant hear the beats clashing together much, u can hear it if I turn the volume down low. I am thinking it might be somthing to do with my room and having the volume high!

Thx

Could be a lot of things. Sometimes even the song itself isn't EQ'ed right at "normal" settings so you might have to fix it on the mixer by doing something weird like having the high's at 2 O'clock and the mids at 12 O'clock. I dunno, just an example.

I noticed that the way my room is setup and me having the speakers on the floor, once I step about 5 feet away the rumbling of the bass is non-existant and all I can hear is the thump. And I mean the thump of what you can only hear in a lot of recorded live sets. So it could just be the placement of your speakers like in my situation.


Posted by Psychotron on Sep-02-2006 16:28:

move one speaker further away, sound waves will cancell themselves out if they hit you your ears at the exact sime time and phase.


Posted by Zild on Sep-02-2006 20:21:

No, waves constructively interfere when they're the same time and phase. They don't cancel. But you're right it might have something to do with the placement. Ideally you would have them elevated on stands equidistant from your ears and at the same angle.

If you mix with the bass at 3 o'clock you need to turn that down to at least normal like 12 o'clock, but you should be probably introducing your tracks with a bass cut so more like 9 o'clock.


Posted by Abhay on Sep-03-2006 01:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Penfold99
yea i understand that, what dont sound rite is u cant hear the beats clashing together much, u can hear it if I turn the volume down low. I am thinking it might be somthing to do with my room and having the volume high!

Thx


It probably has something to do with your room dude. I don't have proper monitors, but when i turn my sound system right up, it sounds messed up. Not because of the sound system clipping, more just the room itself I think.

AT certain volumes, the acoustics of the room come into play, I think because hte sound waves are of sufficient amplitude to bounce off the walls very cleanly. if the shape and the material of the room just isn't right you've got to sorted acoustically-wise to play at such volumes.

If it's an acoustics problem, try sorting it out via placement as well. Possible even try placing them further or closer apart, or in different areas of ur room.


Posted by Trogdor on Sep-03-2006 09:45:

Why woud you keep your low EQs at 3 o'clock?


Posted by Abhay on Sep-03-2006 10:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Trogdor
Why woud you keep your low EQs at 3 o'clock?

yeh,

monitors aren't really meant for bass mate...

u nd subs for that.


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-03-2006 11:25:

Thx for replys ive got bigish room and my decks are in the corner, I dont have much room to alter the speakers as ive only got small table. and they are quite close together, really need to get some stands see if that makes it any better.

here is a pic to show..






thx


Posted by Fearless One on Sep-03-2006 11:31:

^^

i wouldn't put speakers like that.. if you turn the volume up it can affec needles vibrating or skipping.. what can sound really shit

better get some speaker holders to stick them to the wall (for example)


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-03-2006 11:45:

yea they do vibrate a little, its just temp arrangement atm for the speakers will get stands soon.


Posted by Zild on Sep-03-2006 13:40:

Get some mounting brackets for the wall and mount them flush with the angle to the wall being 90 degrees (flat to the wall pointing straight out).


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-03-2006 13:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Trogdor
Why woud you keep your low EQs at 3 o'clock?


sorry I got them wrong way around re edited my post.


Posted by Zild on Sep-03-2006 14:00:

LOL don't put the highs at 3 o'clock either.


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-03-2006 14:16:

ok lol


Posted by Zild on Sep-03-2006 14:22:

Just assuming that when a label has a track mastered they are using equipment that is much more intricate than a three band EQ, so you should play your tracks with the EQs all at 12 o'clock as a general rule.


Posted by Abhay on Sep-03-2006 15:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Penfold99
Thx for replys ive got bigish room and my decks are in the corner, I dont have much room to alter the speakers as ive only got small table. and they are quite close together, really need to get some stands see if that makes it any better.

here is a pic to show..






thx


eh?

are those belt driven turntables??? Can't tell from the photo.

they'd better not be. I'll be really pissed off if they are. Maybe the ones i saw at the store were replicas of these.


Posted by simplexdb on Sep-03-2006 15:04:

Yea get some stands this should solve your problem. Right now the way you have it the sound from the Left speaker is hitting your ears before your right or visa versa. get some stands and put you speakers equal distance from where you stand when DJing. Im supprised you arnt getting any feed back from having your speakers so close to your needles like that.

Also you should try to keep your eqs at 12 o clock, this gives you full +/- 12 dB control over your sound. Another thing is to watch your gain levels. Try to keep things at unity or the 0 mark. Also turn the volume knob on the back of your speakers up all the way. By doing this you give yourself full control of the volume at the master fader.

Hope this helps things.


Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-03-2006 17:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
eh?

are those belt driven turntables??? Can't tell from the photo.

they'd better not be. I'll be really pissed off if they are. Maybe the ones i saw at the store were replicas of these.



No there not belt drives there numark TT200


Thx for all the help guys


Posted by Ryan0751 on Sep-04-2006 02:02:

Haha... try playing out at a club! It's TOTALLY different sound-wise... so loud, and at times it's like "I have no idea WTF is going on"

But you'll get the hang of it... practice and just relaxing and not thinking about it much will help.

And yes, as was stated stands will help! I bought mine at Circuit City for around $40-50. I have RP-5's though, so you should make sure they can handle the 8's.



quote:
Originally posted by Penfold99
yea i understand that, what dont sound rite is u cant hear the beats clashing together much, u can hear it if I turn the volume down low. I am thinking it might be somthing to do with my room and having the volume high!

Thx
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Posted by Penfold99 on Sep-04-2006 18:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Haha... try playing out at a club! It's TOTALLY different sound-wise... so loud, and at times it's like "I have no idea WTF is going on"

But you'll get the hang of it... practice and just relaxing and not thinking about it much will help.

And yes, as was stated stands will help! I bought mine at Circuit City for around $40-50. I have RP-5's though, so you should make sure they can handle the 8's.




Nice set up m8, yea really need to get them stands ive seen some from decks.co.uk but it's about 100quid for the pair..

Anyone know any cheap places in the UK that sell stands?



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