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Another Chink in the Conspiracy 9/11 Theory

Looks like, unless now "you conspiracy lovers" think that Al-Jazeera is an US Government arm of the Propaganda against radical Muslims, video has been released. Hearing the "real" truth is hard....but even I once believed in the Tooth Fairy, when i was 4 years old..

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By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 21 minutes ago CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Jazeera broadcast Thursday a previously unshown video of the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks, in which al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is seen meeting with some of the planners in an Afghan mountain camp. The station said that bin Laden also is shown greeting some of the hijackers, although their faces were not clear and it was not immediately known which are purportedly shown. The video included the last wills and testaments of hijackers Wail al-Shehri and Hamza al-Ghamdi. Al-Jazeera did not say how it obtained the video, which was produced by As-Sahab, al-Qaida's media branch. Islamic militant Web forums said the entire video would be posted soon on the Internet. Such advertisements in the past have come a day or two before the video appears on the Web. Thursday's was the fourth in a series of long videos that al-Qaida has put out to memorialize the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center, said Ben Venzke, head of IntelCenter, a private U.S. company that monitors militant message traffic and provides counterterrorism intelligence services for the American government. The previous ones were issued in April and September 2002 and September 2003, each showing video from the planning of the suicide hijackings and farewell statements from some of the hijackers, Venzke said. In the latest video, bin Laden is shown sitting outside with his former lieutenant Mohammed Atef and Ramzi Binalshibh, another suspected planner of the Sept. 11 attacks. Venzke said the scenes had not been previously broadcast. Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, was killed by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan in 2001. Binalshibh was captured four years ago in Pakistan and is in U.S. custody. President Bush announced plans to put him on military trial. The video shows bin Laden in a dark robe and white headgear, strolling through the camp and greeting dozens of followers, some masked, and many carrying automatic weapons. A voice-over narration praises the fighters and refers to the camp being "on the soil of Kandahar" � a city in southern Afghanistan. The footage shows scenes of training at the camp. Masked militants perform martial-arts kicks or learn how to break the hold of someone who grabs them from behind. Several militants are shown practicing with fold-out knives. Venzke said the footage was part of a video he expected would be more than an hour long, based on previous releases. He said the full version of the video was believed to include a message from Azzam al-Amriki, the nom de guerre of Adam Yehiye Gadahn, an American who the FBI says has associated with al-Qaida. Gadahn appeared in an al-Qaida video released last week, in which he called on Americans to convert to Islam. The full video also likely includes messages from bin Laden or his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, though they may not be new, Venzke said, without elaborating on why he believed that. "They produce long videos like these not just for 9/11, but for any significant events they feel warrant their attention," Venzke said. One aim is to boost recruitment, but such videos have other purposes � "to speak to their supporters, to raise morale within their own group, to facilitate fundraising, and to serve as a psychological attack," he said. The footage also shows glimpses of daily life in the camp, with men chopping wood and cutting up vegetables for dinner. Al-Shehri and al-Ghamdi are each shown speaking to the camera, their images superimposed over pictures of the crumbling World Trade Center towers and the burning Pentagon, as well as a model of a passenger jet. They both say Muslims must stand up and fight the West. "If jihad now is not an obligation (on Muslims), when will it be?" said al-Shehri, pointing to attacks on Muslims in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Chechnya. "If we are content with being humiliated and inclined to comfort, the tooth of the enemy will stretch from Jerusalem to Mecca, and then everyone will regret on a day when regret is of no use," al-Ghamdi said. SOURCE

hey, why does it gotta be a "Chink" man

the vid will show up soon. it's not anywhere right now unless you can read arabic.

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Originally posted by Q5echo hey, why does it gotta be a "Chink" man the vid will show up soon. it's not anywhere right now unless you can read arabic.

damn my racist ass, but I am hispanic I can't be racist..

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Originally posted by Q5echo the vid will show up soon. it's not anywhere right now unless you can read arabic.

i saw it on CNN with english subtitles?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i saw it on CNN with english subtitles?

Yea, it's out there

I'm sure the conspiracy nutjobs will say the video was made up with CGI, old actors and sock puppets only to further an evil neo-con agenda...

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Originally posted by LazFX damn my racist ass, but I am hispanic I can't be racist..

sure you can. stop calling me a cracker!

anyways, I posted the same thing when it was breaking news and there wasn't too much to say about it.

I lose.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yea, it's out there I'm sure the conspiracy nutjobs will say the video was made up with CGI, old actors and sock puppets only to further an evil neo-con agenda...

It is amazing that just one day before they aired this, Bush revealed that we had secret prisons. The next day, one of the guys in the prisons just happens to be in the tape, justifying the prisons to the world.

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Originally posted by Temperate sure you can. stop calling me a cracker!

My Mom is as pale white as a KKK's Hood, and I call her cracker, ha ha

she then cusses me out in, is spainish, ha ha


its all good, my brother from another mother

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy It is amazing that just one day before they aired this, Bush revealed that we had secret prisons. The next day, one of the guys in the prisons just happens to be in the tape, justifying the prisons to the world.

Could "Osama been Hiding" be coming soon??

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Originally posted by LazFX Could "Osama been Hiding" be coming soon??

Hey, it's just an amazing coincidence. Just like the Mark Karr capture in Thailand happening on the same day as the wiretapping decision. George Bush really seems to be the luckiest man ever when it comes to distractions or justification.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Hey, it's just an amazing coincidence. Just like the Mark Karr capture in Thailand happening on the same day as the wiretapping decision. George Bush really seems to be the luckiest man ever when it comes to distractions or justification.

+1111

A couple minutes of footage doesn't wipe out the decades of history between the Bin Ladens and the Bushes. They used to be business partners. Here's a great read:

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

and here's where I found that link along with other good stuff:
http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html

I heard on Fox news last night that Al-Jazeera was owned by a Bush supporter, any1 know if thats true.?

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 A couple minutes of footage doesn't wipe out the decades of history between the Bin Ladens and the Bushes. They used to be business partners. Here's a great read: http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm and here's where I found that link along with other good stuff: http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html

There's no denying the Bush-Bin Laden families have a lot of business together, but one must realize that Osama was also not welcome in his own family.

I think Osama will be 'Captured/Killed' before US presidential elections.

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Originally posted by Purple I think Osama will be 'Captured/Killed' before US presidential elections.

That would be a nice coincidence wouldn't it?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r That would be a nice coincidence wouldn't it?

Yeah.. We are all too small and powerless to bring him down.. all we can do is take as a coincidence and forget it.

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Originally posted by Purple I think Osama will be 'Captured/Killed' before US presidential elections.

you f**kers say that every election.

what would be the logic this time, oh great mystical one

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Originally posted by Q5echo you f**kers say that every election. what would be the logic this time, oh great mystical one

Why does that make you angry?

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Why does that make you angry?

what are you a shrink?

i'm not angry. aggrivated maybe a little at Purple-Nurple.

your right, i'm upset. and it's not Nurple.

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Originally posted by Q5echo what are you a shrink?

As a matter of fact I....




am not

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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm not angry. aggrivated maybe a little at Purple-Nurple.

I'm just asking because I feel the same way Purple does. Bush isn't exactly old faithful or trustworty. As I've hinted at before he had ties to Bin Laden before and it's kind of hard to swallow that they didn't keep in touch at least once not necessarily during his presidency.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r There's no denying the Bush-Bin Laden families have a lot of business together, but one must realize that Osama was also not welcome in his own family.

Not welcomed doesn't mean he didn't get a his piece of the pie. He might've been scorned at by his own flesh and blood, but he still had involvement in the family's business affairs as far as I know.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I'm just asking because I feel the same way Purple does. Bush isn't exactly old faithful or trustworty. As I've hinted at before he had ties to Bin Laden before and it's kind of hard to swallow that they didn't keep in touch at least once not necessarily during his presidency.

the video of the 9/11 hijackers with Bin Laden aside, you say things like "it's hard to swallow" or "Bush isn't exactly trustworthy" but in essence, in the face of empirical and majorative facts and logic, you're saying nothing.

i call it asymetrical scepticism. you believe in one thing or a whole host of things at their face value, but for one reason or another don't believe something else when applied the same logic.

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Originally posted by Q5echo the video of the 9/11 hijackers with Bin Laden aside, you say things like "it's hard to swallow" or "Bush isn't exactly trustworthy" but in essence, in the face of empirical and majorative facts and logic, you're saying nothing. i call it asymetrical scepticism. you believe in one thing or a whole host of things at their face value, but for one reason or another don't believe something else when applied the same logic.

kind of like not entertaining a theory simply because its advocating a conspiracy...

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Originally posted by josh4 kind of like not entertaining a theory simply because its advocating a conspiracy...

when "entertaining a theory" becomes an influence to ones principles in the face of empirical evidence...

look, it becomes dogma for them when you think about it. IMO this [Bin Laden/Al Queera/the Saudis/CIA] should be far from dogma.

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