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the more popular a DJ is, the less risk (music-wise) the DJ takes

i'm guessing that this is a pretty accurate generalization (there are always the exceptions, i know). who are the biggest risk takers? what are they playing? which ones take little or no risks in their track or effect selections?

it's also possible a DJ really likes a certain sound and doesn't take risks for that reason.

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Originally posted by nefardec it's also possible a DJ really likes a certain sound and doesn't take risks for that reason.

Exactly, DJs play what they like usually or feel. Sometimes they might take risks but just like other things such as food, some people are just more accustomed to something they like vs. something else that they might not like. It doesn't hurt to try, but with DJs, just like with any artist, it takes some time to mature and expand your horizons, not everyone is open to everything.

i disagree.

take picotto's recent superclub cd

cd 1 was his usual stuff
cd 2 downbeat, chilled stuff.

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Originally posted by Zenchowdah i disagree. take picotto's recent superclub cd cd 1 was his usual stuff cd 2 downbeat, chilled stuff.

picotto has produced quite abit of downbeat stuff i dont think he has took any risks and u just said he did another cd with his normal stuff on so he cant of thought it was worth the risk. i think the thread starter is talking about live performances anyway and picotto wouldnt play any downbeat chilled music at an event

richie hawtin ? trying something new every year :P

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Originally posted by Zenchowdah i disagree. take picotto's recent superclub cd cd 1 was his usual stuff cd 2 downbeat, chilled stuff.

Firstly, he did that on The Album anyway, secondly that's hardly a risk and thirdly it's got nothing to do with DJing.

Hawtin and Holden are usually trying new stuffs...

Only true for Trance I think


Sven Vath is still king of the underground after 25+ years of being at the top


Desyn, Garraud, Mojo, and tons more keep innovating

Is this why I'm marginalized? I notice this in the psytrance world for sure... the big names tend to play the safest stuff. I haven't really been musically challenged by any of the international's in the past few years, although I might be able to think up an exception or two if I really thought hard about it... but generally all of them play Switch, which is damning enough.

I think there is a definate element of truth in the fact the most popular dj's in the world are the ones who take little or no risks with their tracklists.

People who go to see these guys know what their going for and feel their night was great if they hear all the big tunes from the last year or a set with loads of classics.

I prefer going for a night out and hearing loads of tunes I don't know, hence I like the dj's I like.

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Originally posted by Tayfoon Only true for Trance I think Sven Vath is still king of the underground after 25+ years of being at the top Desyn, Garraud, Mojo, and tons more keep innovating

Holy crap, I actually agree with Tayfoon? People like Holden and Sasha have reinvented their sounds and reinvent them often. People in the trance realm tend to go about with the same tired form like Armin and the others (well, besides Ferry, but his experimenting seems to be late bandwagon-hopping).

Armin/Tiesto/Pvd

Have all been playing the exact same shit for the past 8 years

Sasha tends to stay on the safe side while mixing, but his "record bag" seems to get overhauled every 3-6 months or so.

even though i know some people dont like Oakenfold, you have to admit he as taken some risks.

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Originally posted by basilisk Is this why I'm marginalized? I notice this in the psytrance world for sure... the big names tend to play the safest stuff. I haven't really been musically challenged by any of the international's in the past few years, although I might be able to think up an exception or two if I really thought hard about it... but generally all of them play Switch, which is damning enough.

The big name psy djs suck for the most part.

I remember hearing Switch (Grownling Machines Remix) the week the promo came out @ Xerox in Bombay... I wasn't expecting it at all, it caught me way off guard. Then I heard GMS play it in January- and even by that time it was starting to get realllly big...

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Originally posted by chesco I think there is a definate element of truth in the fact the most popular dj's in the world are the ones who take little or no risks with their tracklists. People who go to see these guys know what their going for and feel their night was great if they hear all the big tunes from the last year or a set with loads of classics. I prefer going for a night out and hearing loads of tunes I don't know, hence I like the dj's I like.

There is definitely a grain of truth here. I think that once a DJ makes "superstar" status or whatever, he or she must stick to a certain sound, routine, and/or formula in order to keep the money coming in steadily.

People that are dropping their cash to see DJ _______ are doing so because they know (within reason) what they're going to see when they go to a show. It's just the free market at work. The more you make, the more you spend, generally. So, once you make "superstar" status and are spending to maintain that type of lifestyle, why make a risky move that could jeopardize your cash flow?

Just a thought.

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Originally posted by Zoso There is definitely a grain of truth here. I think that once a DJ makes "superstar" status or whatever, he or she must stick to a certain sound, routine, and/or formula in order to keep the money coming in steadily. People that are dropping their cash to see DJ _______ are doing so because they know (within reason) what they're going to see when they go to a show. It's just the free market at work. The more you make, the more you spend, generally. So, once you make "superstar" status and are spending to maintain that type of lifestyle, why make a risky move that could jeopardize your cash flow? Just a thought.

yup which is why such Djs don't try as hard as they used to
look at tiesto

he didn't get to where he is because he sucked...
he got famous and said "screw it people will still pay to see me even if i receive oral from armin live on stage... i'll just put my hands up in the air and try not to squirm"

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Originally posted by Kality even though i know some people dont like Oakenfold, you have to admit he as taken some risks.

deffinetly

playing Traffic in every single set for 4 years in a row is dangerous for ones career

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Originally posted by Allied Nations The big name psy djs suck for the most part. I remember hearing Switch (Grownling Machines Remix) the week the promo came out @ Xerox in Bombay... I wasn't expecting it at all, it caught me way off guard. Then I heard GMS play it in January- and even by that time it was starting to get realllly big...

Fuckin' weak... I've heard Switch dozens of times, from all the big boys... Dino Psaras was the absolute worst offender - he played it twice! And that damn Blue Monday remix THREE times! Two shots for Tainted Love! You just can't beat that level of suckage.

I still haven't heard a really good "big name psy DJ" in all my years of hitting parties... the small guys impress me the most, whenever it is that I am impressed... timely enough, I have one exception of sorts - NASA spun a DJ set here in Toronto last weekend, and it was actually quite good... probably the first psytrance artist I've heard pull off good mixing.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange i'm guessing that this is a pretty accurate generalization (there are always the exceptions, i know). who are the biggest risk takers? what are they playing? which ones take little or no risks in their track or effect selections?

No need to take any risk just to satisfied some bored canadians or texans or what ever bored places they live in.

if it aint broke dont fix it, simple.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo No need to take any risk just to satisfied some bored canadians or texans or what ever bored places they live in. if it aint broke dont fix it, simple.

Why dont you just stay at home and listen to your winamp playlist then?

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Originally posted by Tayfoon Desyn

I really fail to see how he is anything more than a bog-standard house DJ?

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Originally posted by basilisk Fuckin' weak... I've heard Switch dozens of times, from all the big boys... Dino Psaras was the absolute worst offender - he played it twice! And that damn Blue Monday remix THREE times! Two shots for Tainted Love! You just can't beat that level of suckage. I still haven't heard a really good "big name psy DJ" in all my years of hitting parties... the small guys impress me the most, whenever it is that I am impressed... timely enough, I have one exception of sorts - NASA spun a DJ set here in Toronto last weekend, and it was actually quite good... probably the first psytrance artist I've heard pull off good mixing.

I saw a LOT of acts when I was in India and a lot of chemical crew had greta mixing skills, just HORRIBLE tune selection!! Christ! I saw Psychotic Micro once before he was on chemical and once after, WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Xerox was good though and GMS played a fucking MINT sunset set on the beach in Bombay, so I cant complain too much, right set ofr the right time. Pixel was bomb too, but my fav djs are on the Third Eye label based in Bombay. Those locals OWN and the owner of the label is easily one of the best morning DJs in India, at least in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I saw a LOT of acts when I was in India and a lot of chemical crew had greta mixing skills, just HORRIBLE tune selection!! Christ! I saw Psychotic Micro once before he was on chemical and once after, WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Xerox was good though and GMS played a fucking MINT sunset set on the beach in Bombay, so I cant complain too much, right set ofr the right time. Pixel was bomb too, but my fav djs are on the Third Eye label based in Bombay. Those locals OWN and the owner of the label is easily one of the best morning DJs in India, at least in my opinion.

Heheh... well, it isn't too tough to mix psytrance when every track is 145 BPM... I really don't know why the big stars can't get the right combo of technicals and tasteful track selection together. Another shit eighties cover is not pushing the envelope. Nice to hear Xerox was fine - I do like his produced work nowadays...

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