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debating time itself

we had a bit of a drunken/stoned chat last night. my friend and i were talking about time, and how it was relative to where you were in the universe i.e. time on mars would seem a lot faster/slower depending on how fast the planet's orbit around the sun is.

so then what is time?

time is relative, time is constant. but that leaves us no more informed than before i started typing. so let's go waaay back to the beginning of the universe (before time began). where were we? without time, can anything exist? time is the presence of objects in an area, isn't it? we've merely put a label on something we don't understand to help others to accept it.

can someone explain time to me?

scary!

heres something else to think about, aperently the unniverse started due to 2 particles coliding and causing the big bang, but ... where did the 2 particles come from????

there is no such thing as time its man made bs

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy there is no such thing as time its man made bs

hmm.. hours and minuites and seconds are man made, but time, and existance of things are real

time is wierd tho.. hurts my brain to think about it

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Get into anything that deals with physics or quantum mechanics(nothing TOO advanced...) just something for the laymen. I read a bit of a book called "Hyperspace" by Michio Kaku, pretty messed up/interesting stuff. He talks about multiple dimensional space (ei not just Einstein's typical 4 dimensional space/time) and how it might be possible to traverse space and time through those higher dimensions we can barely have a glimpse at. Ok granted time IS a man made idea/concept just like mathematics but there must be things that are constant (ei the speed of light according to Einstein...some ppl even believe we can go faster...). Ok enuf of my ramblings...just READ if you can understand what the hell they're talking about. lol

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy there is no such thing as time its man made bs

dude. time is a label we gave something we don't understand. it's a measure of our rotation around the sun. we associate dark with night, later on in the evening, around 6 pm or so, right? but what if our orbit was much faster (or slower for that matter) than the rate we are moving now.. maybe night would fall at 2pm instead. or maybe our normal, conventional hour (60 minutes) would be shorter or longer, very much the same as jupiter and it's year that is something like 56 earth years. time is an interval of something. like one second. now, a second is intangible, but we know it exists, because we exist. how do you measure the interval of one second to the next? with time and numbers (numbers, ha! don't get me started there..)

but then say you took a digital watch with you to mars, because you wanted to see if time was the same on mars (undoubtably it isn't), would your watch compensate? or would our time still exist on mars i.e. the interval between one and two seconds..

now, if i could digress for a moment. take the theory of relativity. basically it says that if you move faster than the speed of light, you are moving at a faster rate than time itself, and therefore time will slow down. you will actually break the barrier of the spacetime continum, where the bonds of the universe are broken and you sneak right through (conceivably) the fabric of the universe. where do you go??? agggggh.. i hate physics.

Re: hmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave ..some ppl even believe we can go faster...). Ok enuf of my ramblings... lol

yes. there have been tests where they've sped light-molecules up to 99.8% of the speed of light, and finally let it go speeding through a magnetic field to measure it's trajectory. they've found that it starts to move on a ..curve?..but they cannot track the path of the light past the field, and are unable to predict what would happen if it was moving faster than the speed of light.

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Originally posted by jonsimmonds scary! heres something else to think about, aperently the unniverse started due to 2 particles coliding and causing the big bang, but ... where did the 2 particles come from????

i believe it was one very very very very very dense atom-like molecule that exploded after too much friction and outward pressure.
but i agree, it is quite disconcerting. there has to be an origin for everything, but that answer is far beyond our human intellectual capacity.

conceivably, the universe is a contract and expanding life form, right now it is in the expanding mode. but perhaps in several trillion years, it will have collapsed on itself, and having crushed itself into a very very very very dense molecule, it will explode again in a few billion years after the many trillion of years that have already passed. creating new stars, new planets, new everything. will everything be the same? will there still be the milky way galaxy?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} i believe it was one very very very very very dense atom-like molecule that exploded after too much friction and outward pressure. but i agree, it is quite disconcerting. there has to be an origin for everything, but that answer is far beyond our human intellectual capacity. conceivably, the universe is a contract and expanding life form, right now it is in the expanding mode. but perhaps in several trillion years, it will have collapsed on itself, and having crushed itself into a very very very very dense molecule, it will explode again in a few billion years after the many trillion of years that have already passed. creating new stars, new planets, new everything. will everything be the same? will there still be the milky way galaxy?

but where did the particles come from?? and if the universe does crush and disapear into nouthing then why!

all this is to much brain work! wheres the brainy tranceaddicts gone???

Jon

that's the big question, man. but to know where the atom came from, would mean that you knew the answer to the secret of life. heh.

Interesting topic, here is what I think:

There is no such thing as the beginning of time. Time is eternal and universal to everything. The concept of "time" can be reduced down to "a nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession". Whether it's the slightest twitch of a microscopic hair on a protozoan, to the creation of the universe, it's impossible for there to be no potential of any kind of event to occur.

that explains a bit of it. but what purpose does time serve? it still remains an extremly abstract, but somehow concrete idea. it exists, we know that, but for what purpose?

say for instance, you break through the space-time continuum, the fabric of time comes apart at the seams, and you break through[/i] space, and come out in some completely different sector of space. maybe the same area of space, but 2000 years in the future/past.

what about wormholes? gahd. i wish i knew more.

Hmm...I think time has no purpose, it just necessarily exist in order for events to occur. Who knows? hehe.

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Originally posted by cbxzcm Hmm...I think time has no purpose, it just necessarily exist in order for events to occur. Who knows? hehe.

oh yeah? well what are these events leading up to?
and how did the first event occur?

my brains full..

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Originally posted by randummboy oh yeah? well what are these events leading up to? and how did the first event occur? my brains full..

My bizarre theory is that time is actually the eternal medium by which events occur. These events can be totally spontaneous, leading to nothing. How the first event occured? Who knows, but it did occur at a certain time. Blah I don't even know what I'm talking about.

i agree. it did happen at a specific time, had there been some cosmic clock to record the occurance, it would have an exact time and date.. time is happening all over the universe, it's a constant thing; but relative to where you are in the universe.

there is also a deadline in the future, where the universe will collapse. it isn't scheduled to happen, but there will be a specific moment in time when the universe's expansion speed will be reduced to zero mph, and thus collapse on itself. lol that is some crazy shit.

my theory is that this a stupid thing to debate about because none of us know what we're trying to say...


conclusion: READ A BOOK!

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy my theory is that this a stupid thing to debate about because none of us know what we're trying to say... conclusion: READ A BOOK!

theories aren't proven, geek.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} theories aren't proven, geek.

that is why its a theory twinkle toes

vivid has a pt tho..............ROFLMAO

so back on topic..

Just thought I'd share my idea, no matter how useless it would be.

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Originally posted by torontotrance vivid has a pt tho..............ROFLMAO

snicker. that his theory is unproven? it doesn't really matter if no one knows the answer, it's a discussion, and if he doesn't have any more to add (or subtract from it, for that matter) to it, he might as well save me from wasting 5 seconds more of my life and not post something to tell me that this topic is stupid.

is that all u got twinkle toes?

man, stop now, please. i don't want a childish argument starting in my thread.

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