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you guys know of any PRE-1990 trance or proto-trance?

besides the KLF material. thanks.

ps - i checked the classics thread but i didn't find anything listed for these years.

proto trance?

i have no idea if this is helpfull and maybe not trance.. i have never hread it, but sashas archive goes back to 89

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=173088

"Proto-trance", that is, music which precipitated the "formal" foundation of trance as a coherent genre in 1990-92 Frankfurt, can be classed in four major groupings:

1. Ambient. Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, and their many imitators in years following laid the foundation for repetitive, atmospheric textures. Though this was usually beatless, some ambient productions from the late 70s and 80s do use repetitive elements of percussion. Some parts of Phaedra sound remarkably trance-like, and that was 1974.

2. Belgian EBM / New Beat. A lot of industral music from late-80s Belgium was beat-driven, and incorporated repetitive synthesizer loops. Belgian New Beat heavily influenced the German club scene in the late 80s, just prior to trance, and had a shaping influence on its emergence. The classic example of a direct connection between EBM and trance is Force Legato - System by Oliver Lieb and Torsten Fenslau, which was released in 1989.

3. Techno. The diaspora of techno directly preceded the emergence of trance. Stuff from Derrick May and Juan Atkins, which ignited the German techno scene in Berlin around the same time, also shaped trance. Listen to Rhythim Is Rhythim - Strings Of Life, from 1987, which is quite smooth, rolling, and repetitive.

4. The KLF. Okay, maybe acid house. But seriously, they deserve their own category.

I would be tempted to include house selections, but house really didn't affect trance until progressive house started crossing over in the early 90s. If anthing, it was trance that affected progressive house.

(continuation of cobalt's list)
5. Psychadelic Rock/Space Rock - mainly Ozric Tentacles, from what i heard the psyca-rock was hippie music in goa in the 80's, and the foundations of this music is forever interlaced in psytrance.

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Originally posted by Cobalt I would be tempted to include house selections, but house really didn't affect trance until progressive house started crossing over in the early 90s. If anthing, it was trance that affected progressive house.

Probably so. Not Forgotten certainly didn't sound anything like trance.

Is this for historical reasons, or would you be happy with anything from the era that sounded like it could be trance if it worked hard at school and ate its greens? Because there's a whole bunch of that stuff.

I'd also add various works by Jean Michel Jarre and, of course, Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love' to this list of early trance influences. I'd certainly argue those Moroder basslines pretty much inspired much of the trance we hear today.

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Originally posted by Cobalt 2. Belgian EBM / New Beat. A lot of industral music from late-80s Belgium was beat-driven, and incorporated repetitive synthesizer loops. Belgian New Beat heavily influenced the German club scene in the late 80s, just prior to trance, and had a shaping influence on its emergence. The classic example of a direct connection between EBM and trance is Force Legato - System by Oliver Lieb and Torsten Fenslau, which was released in 1989.

this is exactly what i'm looking for: e-beat, new beat-, ebm-influenced trance. i picked up http://www.discogs.com/release/184780 recently and it rectainly rocks, specially New Age.

force legato is good too. i have more e-beat, new beat, ebm stuff but need more trancelike artists, compilations, and tracks influenced by those genres, specifically from the late 80s to early 90s. any direction helps.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange this is exactly what i'm looking for: e-beat, new beat-, ebm-influenced trance. i picked up http://www.discogs.com/release/184780 recently and it rectainly rocks, specially New Age. force legato is good too. i have more e-beat, new beat, ebm stuff but need more trancelike artists, compilations, and tracks influenced by those genres, specifically from the late 80s to early 90s. any direction helps.

Ishkur could probably help you more here than I could. He knows a good deal about the EBM/trance crossover, whereas I've only recently explored the connection.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Is this for historical reasons, or would you be happy with anything from the era that sounded like it could be trance if it worked hard at school and ate its greens? Because there's a whole bunch of that stuff.

Progressive house didn't really exist until about 1991, so it couldn't have been a precursor to trance. The two genres developed in parallel, interbreeding at places (such as Guerilla Records), until finally merging around 1994-95. But this merging was really more of a case of progressive house subsuming trance than trance subsuming progressive house. Li Kwan - Point Zero, Libra pres Taylor - Calling Your Name, and The Qat Collection are all considered classic progressive trance records, but Matt Darey, BT, Taylor, and Sasha all came from progressive house background. Most "true" trance artists left for techno (Hardfloor, Sven Vath), or adopted progressive house structures (Paul van Dyk).

Strictly speaking, house didn't play a huge role in the development of Frankfurt trance, save for what house Belgian Beat might have contained. The whole progressive movement of the mid-nineties, on the other hand, was based on progressive house adopting trance.

That latter bit was addressed at Spacey Orange, rather than being a continuation of the prog house musing.

Should have clarified.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That latter bit was addressed at Spacey Orange, rather than being a continuation of the prog house musing. Should have clarified.

Oh. No wonder I was confused.

trance came out of something we call, dance

check out Front242, a track that comes to mind is Never Stop (v1.1) (1989), check out Commando (Remix) (1985) aswell, or on second thought, get that whole EP (Politics of Pressure).

Vangelis, proto-Juno Reactor (think Electrotete and related projects), The Infinity Project (good luck finding that), and Kode IV maybe... I always did like that Front 242 track Stratoscape for its trancey qualities, but I forget the year on that one.

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Originally posted by FirstBorn I'd also add various works by Jean Michel Jarre and, of course, Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love' to this list of early trance influences. I'd certainly argue those Moroder basslines pretty much inspired much of the trance we hear today.

Loopus in Fabula does a nice remix to I Feel Love on their new album, Fat Ladies Bingo!

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