HOW LONG CAN A RE-MIx be in LENGTH-HELP!!

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Posted by technomonster on Sep-22-2006 15:45:

HOW LONG CAN A RE-MIx be in LENGTH-HELP!!

i am trying to releas my first ever electronic dance music track. - yoo hoo!

i am not a DJ and am unexperienced in many many matters with regards to what is needed.

i have a RADIO EDIT (3.30)

and now working on CLUB MIXES.

one of my club mixes seems to be going on and on and will likely be 12 minutes long.

is that too LONG??

I AM ALSO thinking of releasing the 12 minute CLUB MIX - JUST in a shorter version as well - say 8 minutes.

can a 12 minute piece fit on one side of a 45 R.PRM VYNIL record

CAN a 12 minute piece only be released on CD.

do DJs not like 12 minute pieces incase they think its too long

please help as i havent a clue.

Posted by UWM on Sep-22-2006 16:12:

Remixes should be between 2 and 4 minutes. If you're working with a Radio Edit you might be able to push it to 5.

Posted by technomonster on Sep-22-2006 16:16:

maybe i should have said CLUB MIX

length of club mixes. 2-4 minutes seems totally short.

Posted by Floorfiller on Sep-22-2006 16:23:

club remixes need to be exactly 30 secs shorter than the original.

Posted by UWM on Sep-22-2006 16:28:

quote:
Originally posted by technomonster
maybe i should have said CLUB MIX

length of club mixes. 2-4 minutes seems totally short.

What kind of club is your target, though? Gentleman's? Bath? We need more info.

Posted by [mart] on Sep-22-2006 16:30:

It doesn't really matter how long a track is, as long as it does enough to satisfy a listener's interest for the duration.

Posted by Ivand on Sep-22-2006 16:48:

actually floorfller, is 31.4159 seconds

Posted by technomonster on Sep-22-2006 16:50:

i guess i am aiming for the clubs that play TRANCE and TECHNO.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-22-2006 16:50:

quote:
Originally posted by [MaRt]
It doesn't really matter how long a track is, as long as it does enough to satisfy a listener's interest for the duration.

It does when pressing to vinyl, though. Even so, you can fit twentysomething minutes to one side of a vinyl so it really shouldn't be your concern while producing.

I'd just like to know how the hell can anyone extend a 3 minute track to 12+ minutes?

Posted by BOOsTER on Sep-22-2006 16:53:

Posted by stevieboy32808 on Sep-22-2006 17:21:

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-22-2006 17:22:

quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808
Trust me it can be done. Just take this legendary remix for example:
Donna Summer - I Feel Love (12" original) [8:15]
Donna Summer - I Feel Love (Patrick Cowley Remix) [15:51]

But that's a remix, not an extended version of the same track.

Posted by technomonster on Sep-22-2006 18:09:

isnt there some rule

thats important to help stop needles skipping.

crikees i know nothing about this and where i am there are no vynil record manufacturers for a thousand miles minimum.

are there any sites that explain this.

i thought that 45 rpm was the prefered choice.

and when you say a 12" vynil which is 8 minutes - does that take a whole side.

can something 12 minutes be squeezed into one side of a 45RPM VYNIL RECORD

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-22-2006 18:11:

Just do the track and let the labels worry about that stuff. It's not really your concern.

Posted by technomonster on Sep-22-2006 18:12:

I GUESS I MEAN AN EXTENDED VERSION OF THE radio edit single HERE.

i guess i must have woffled on to get to the 12 minute mark.

any help on the dos and donts of squeezing 12 minutes on one side of a 45 RPM vynil record

Posted by Ian on Sep-22-2006 18:27:

quote:
Originally posted by technomonster
I GUESS I MEAN AN EXTENDED VERSION OF THE radio edit single HERE.

i guess i must have woffled on to get to the 12 minute mark.

any help on the dos and donts of squeezing 12 minutes on one side of a 45 RPM vynil record

Yeah, If you hold the vinyl over a warm flame, it will stretch & allow you to fit 15 minutes instead.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-22-2006 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
warm flame.

As opposed to a cold flame?

Posted by Ian on Sep-22-2006 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
As opposed to a cold flame?

no, as opposed to a hot flame which may burn some sense into him

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Sep-22-2006 18:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
no, as opposed to a hot flame which may burn some sense into him

Oh yeah. Hot flame is what you'd use for burning CD's.

Posted by stevieboy32808 on Sep-22-2006 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
But that's a remix, not an extended version of the same track.

In that case just look at rare extended promo versions of any dance track. Usually you have your original mix and then the extended version, but a bit longer. For example:
Blondie - Rapture (original album mix) [6:33]
Blondie - Rapture (special disco mix aka the extended version) [10:07]

Posted by Ian on Sep-22-2006 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Oh yeah. Hot flame is what you'd use for burning CD's.

And don't get me going on dvd's

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Sep-22-2006 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It does when pressing to vinyl, though. Even so, you can fit twentysomething minutes to one side of a vinyl so it really shouldn't be your concern while producing.

I'd just like to know how the hell can anyone extend a 3 minute track to 12+ minutes?

Well, radio edits tend to be the club mix without any of the repet^H^H^H^H^H^H development. They also don't have much in the way of intros or outros, so it's possible to flesh out quite a bit in a club mix, I think.

That said, I don't really think there's a set limit on the length a track should be. The digital version can be as long as one likes, really, although if you plan on moving a longer track to vinyl, there would have to be a version made for the vinyl.

Posted by montana on Sep-23-2006 01:08:

quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808
In that case just look at rare extended promo versions of any dance track. Usually you have your original mix and then the extended version, but a bit longer. For example:
Blondie - Rapture (original album mix) [6:33]
Blondie - Rapture (special disco mix aka the extended version) [10:07]

haven't really heard that version. but most of the times, when they did the special disco mixes/extended version to whack on the 12:s they added some extra production to the tracks, some more than others, for the case of shep pettibone,jellybean benitez and others.

Posted by stevieboy32808 on Sep-23-2006 01:31:

quote:
Originally posted by montana
haven't really heard that version. but most of the times, when they did the special disco mixes/extended version to whack on the 12:s they added some extra production to the tracks, some more than others, for the case of shep pettibone,jellybean benitez and others.

Yes! So you know what I'm talking about. You just pointed out some legends there mister.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Sep-23-2006 01:54:

bout 6-7 minutes? after that i just get bored

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