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Holy God! Bubba just took Chris Wallace and Faux News to the clearners!
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| WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on Fox News Sunday, I got a lot of email from viewers, and I got to say I was surprised most of them wanted me to ask you this question. Why didn�t you do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were President? There�s a new book out which I suspect you�ve read called the Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, Bin Laden said �I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of US troops.� Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole. CLINTON: OK.. WALLACE: �may I just finish the question sir. And after the attack, the book says, Bin Laden separated his leaders because he expected an attack and there was no response. I understand that hindsight is 20/20. CLINTON: No let�s talk about� WALLACE: �but the question is why didn�t you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business? CLINTON: OK, let�s talk about it. I will answer all of those things on the merits but I want to talk about the context of which this arises. I�m being asked this on the FOX network�ABC just had a right wing conservative on the Path to 9/11 falsely claim that it was based on the 9/11 Commission report with three things asserted against me that are directly contradicted by the 9/11 Commission report. I think it�s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say that I didn�t do enough, claimed that I was obsessed with Bin Laden. All of President Bush�s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn�t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn�t do enough said that I did too much. Same people. ... WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir? CLINTON: No, because I didn�t get him. WALLACE: Right� CLINTON: But at least I tried. That�s the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn�t�I tried. So I tried and failed. When I failed I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke� So you did FOX�s bidding on this show. You did you nice little conservative hit job on me. But what I want to know.. WALLACE: Now wait a minute sir� CLINTON:� WALLACE: I asked a question. You don�t think that�s a legitimate question? CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of. I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked: Why didn�t you do anything about the Cole? I want to know how many you asked: Why did you fire Dick Clarke? I want to know� WALLACE: We asked� CLINTON:� WALLACE: Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday sir? CLINTON: I don�t believe you ask them that. WALLACE: We ask plenty of questions of� CLINTON: You didn�t ask that did you? Tell the truth. WALLACE: About the USS Cole? CLINTON: Tell the truth. WALLACE: I�with Iraq and Afghanistan there�s plenty of stuff to ask. CLINTON: Did you ever ask that? You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because Rupert Murdoch is going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers for supporting my work on climate change. And you came here under false pretenses and said that you�d spend half the time talking about� WALLACE: [laughs] CLINTON: You said you�d spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7 billion dollars plus over three days from 215 different commitments. And you don�t care. ..... CLINTON: What did I do? I worked hard to try and kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president we�d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him. Now I never criticized President Bush and I don�t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is 1/7 as important as Iraq. And you ask me about terror and Al Qaeda with that sort of dismissive theme when all you have to do is read Richard Clarke�s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive systematic way to try to protect the country against terror. And you�ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you�re so clever� WALLACE: [Laughs] CLINTON: I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get Bin Laden. I regret it but I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could. The entire military was against sending special forces into Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter and no one thought we could do it otherwise�We could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaeda was responsible while I was President. Until I left office. And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that�s strange. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/22/clinton-fox/ |
excellent post opus 
yeah, regardless of political differences, ive always admired clinton's intellectual capacity. he certainly seems extra intelligent 6 years on doesnt he? everything's relative!
im wondering if Q5 has an interesting point of view on this.
Re: Holy God! Bubba just took Chris Wallace and Faux News to the clearners!
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Absolutely fucking priceless. Keep in mind Bubba was there to raise money for his nonpartisan global initiative. So Wallace thought it cute to try to corner him with the bogus 9/11 show with all the lovely fraudulent claims within. I may disagree with Bubba on some issues, but damn can that boy think quickly on the spot. It's sorely missed. |
I was actually quite impressed with Clinton and his efforts OUTSIDE the oval office...
Here he is on the Daily Show
Wow, Clinton owned it up...
"they didn�t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office."
It's true, our current government let it all happen... what a coincidence that the twin towers were still standing up until Bush took office...
Interesting psychology:
humans begin laughing when they are placed on the spot.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im wondering if Q5 has an interesting point of view on this. |
clinton could sell the brooklyn bridge if he wanted
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| Originally posted by Q5echo well, here's slick willy lying about one thing... |
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| i can't find a video clip of the Wallace interview. prolly cause it hasn't aired yet, but i've seen clips of it and he acts in exactly the same manner. |
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| WALLACE: I think a lot of people in Washington are trying to figure out, to understand Richard Clarke, to make sense of what he has said and of apparent contradictions in his story � is he telling the truth, or is he pushing an agenda. WALLACE: Let�s switch, if we can, to a different aspect of this. There is a move now by congressional Republican leaders to declassify Clarke�s testimony before one of their panels in 2002 to see whether or not it contradicts what he is telling the commission and what he writes in his book now. As I understand it, the Pentagon has to approve any such declassification. Do you think it�s a good idea? WALLACE: Do you worry at all that, whether it�s the debate over Dick Clarke�s credibility, his charges, whether it�s the fact that we�re in the political season, that the important work you say the commission could do is going to get caught up in partisanship? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115436,00.html |
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| WALLACE: When commission member Jaime Gorelick was questioning you about that, did you know that when she was the deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, that she had issued an order that, in fact, helped build the so-called wall even higher? RICE: I did not know that, Chris. I did know, of course, that she�d been deputy attorney general. I did know that there were responsibilities there for issues concerning counterterrorism, but no, I did not know. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117427,00.html |
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| I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked: Why didn�t you do anything about the Cole? I want to know how many you asked: Why did you fire Dick Clarke? I want to know� WALLACE: We asked�Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday sir? |
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| The measure, which the Senate passed overwhelmingly Wednesday evening, is a watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak. The original House bill, passed last month, had deleted many of the Senate's anti-terrorism provisions because of lawmakers' concerns about increasing federal law enforcement powers. Some of those provisions were restored in the compromise bill. [...] Sen. Don Nickles, R-Oklahoma, while praising the bill, said the country remains "very open" to terrorism. "Will it stop any acts of terrorism, domestic and international? No," he said, adding, "We don't want a police state." http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti....bill/index.html |
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| say what you want about the guy but he could sell ketchup packets to a woman in white gloves. you just never know when he's feeding you a line crap. |
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| here he is in 2002. now what i don't get is that if he was so vociferous about "killing" Bin Laden here and ordering CIA death squads there to track him down to the ends of the earth, on what grounds did he base those orders on? because in 2002 he was shirking some serious responsibility on the subject. which one is it? i mean, you heard them both! |
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| Sudan�s minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States.The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/sec4.pdf |
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| the only thing i can think of is Nov '98 after the embassy bombings. but the Justice Dept. had only issued an indictment for questioning. |
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| the guy is a stone cold liar. he's good. |
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| you see with Bush it can only be one of two things. either a, he's too stupid to lie so he doesn't or b, he's waaayyyy more talented at it than Clinton could ever be and he's doing it all the time. |
i was just demonstrating how Clinton lies. after watching his Wallace interview i'm convinced in his dubious manner. what that means really i'm not sure right now. maybe i'll get back to you on that.
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Again let's keep in mind something about the U.S. Cole - the CIA and FBI did NOT conclude that the U.S. Cole was the work of Al Qaeda UNTIL early 2001. Where the fuck was Bush's efforts on this sucker, EVER? Please answer me that one, if you will. |
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| And then please tell me why the likes of Coulter somehow believed or directly implied that Clinton should have somehow gone after something without evidence to support the conlusion. |
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| So did Wallace or Tony Snow EVER grill anyone on this Administration about the Cole? |
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| Did they even ask Condi about that cute little memo titled, "bin laden determined to strike the U.S."? |
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| Did they EVER ask Condi about her DIRECT FUCKING LIE about her supposed lack of knowledge on commercial airplanes being used as weapons, despite evidence to the contrary? |
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| Cheney's been on Fox News Sunday 6 times, Rummy 9 times, Condi about 2 dozen times. What kind of REALLY hardball cornering questions were they asked by Wallace or Snow? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo On November 3, 2002, the CIA fired a AGM-114 Hellfire missile from a Predator UAV at a vehicle carrying Abu Ali al-Harithi, a suspected planner of the bombing plot...... On September 29, 2004, a Yemeni judge sentenced Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Jamal al-Badawi to death....... On February 3, 2006, 23 suspected or convicted Al-Qaeda members escaped from jail in Yemen...... |
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| Who Blew Off Bin Laden? by Paul Sperry In its miniseries about the missteps that led to 9/11, ABC spared not only Bill Clinton but also George W. Bush. Our hawkish War President had almost nine months to respond to the USS Cole attack and did nothing, even as his security staff fired off memo after memo fingering Osama bin Laden and urging retaliation. Clinton claims, feebly, that he didn't have enough evidence to pin the October 2000 attack on bin Laden. But Bush certainly did. On March 2, 2001, then-senior White House counterterrorism official Roger Cressey sent a memo to then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice relaying intelligence that bin Laden had gloated about the attack on the Cole in a poem he read at his son's wedding. "BIN LADEN on the USS COLE" was the title of the urgent memo. But Rice couldn't be bothered with stuff that happened on Clinton's watch. Undeterred, Cressey a few weeks later followed up with Rice's deputy Steve Hadley. He wrote, "We know all we need to about who did the attack to make a policy decision." His March 22 email � written under the heading, "Need for Terrorism DC Next Week" � fell on deaf ears. Two days later, White House terror czar Richard Clarke weighed in on the subject. He wrote both Rice and Hadley that the Yemeni prime minister had told the State Department that while Yemen was not saying so publicly, Yemen was 99 percent certain that bin Laden was responsible for the Cole attack. His March 24 memo, "Yemen's View on the USS Cole," only elicited more yawns from Bush's top security aides. By the summer, Clarke finally had the iron-clad proof he needed to convince Rice and the president to take action against bin Laden. On June 21 � less than three months before the 9-11 attacks � Clarke fired off another memo to Rice and Hadley alerting them that a new al-Qaeda video claimed responsibility for the Cole. His memo couldn't have been more plain: "Al Qida[sic] Video Claims Responsibility for Cole Attack." More yawns. Later that month, two Saudi jihadists arrested by Bahraini authorities during the summer threat spike told their captors that their al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan had held celebratory parties over the Cole attack. By now, Clarke's hair was on fire. He dashed off another memo to Rice on June 29. Rice again did nothing � except demote Clarke, that is. Why were Bush's neocon security advisers so insouciant about terrorism? They were still fighting the last war. Obsessed over Russia, China, Iraq and missile defense, the cold warriors refused to give an audience to the career White House security experts who presciently warned about the new greater threat from al-Qaeda terrorists. The White House before 9/11 held some 100 Cabinet meetings on Iraq, Russia, missile defense and other Bush-41 hobbyhorses, and only one on terrorism. Rice insists al-Qaeda was priority No. 1, but a speech she'd planned to deliver on Sept. 11, 2001, contained no mention of al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or Islamic terrorists. The focus of the policy speech, before the neocon School for Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, was missile defense, and not of the passenger airliner variety. In fact, Rice overlooked al-Qaeda in every public speech she made between Jan. 20, 2001, and Sept. 11, 2001, a Nexis search reveals. Even stretching all the way back to early 1993, when the World Trade Center was first hit, Rice mentions al-Qaeda not a single time in any speech, article or media interview. By comparison, she cites Iraq more than 1,000 times from 1993 to 2001. And the same misguided set of priorities were in place over at the Pentagon in the run-up to 9/11. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his neoconspirators were just as stuck in the Cold War. Al-Qaeda hardly registered on their radar screen, either � even though the attack on the Cole was arguably an act of war. Al-Qaeda killed 17 U.S. sailors and injured more than 30 while nearly sinking a Navy destroyer anchored in the port of Aden, Yemen. Yet there was no response from the Pentagon at all. "Secretary Rumsfeld did not order the preparation of any new military plans against either al-Qaeda or the Taliban before 9/11," states a staff report released by the 9/11 Commission in 2004. Zero. Zip. Nada. Rummy apparently was too busy drawing up plans to invade Iraq. When Bush stepped into office, he clearly had learned nothing from the previous administration's grave mistake of underestimating bin Laden, attack after bigger terror attack. Nor did he learn anything from his own mistake of blowing him off after the Cole. Bush now crows about taking out "the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing who was the chief of al-Qaeda's operations in the Persian Gulf." That would be Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, captured in 2002 � only after the 9-11 attacks. Again, Bush is fighting the last war, always one step behind. If he had focused on bin Laden and al-Qaeda as the career White House security experts were pleading for him to do before 9-11, if he had retaliated for the brazen attack on a U.S. warship by an enemy that had already declared war on us, perhaps 9-11 could have been diverted. Even after 9/11, Bush didn't go after bin Laden hard enough. He let him live another day � 1,830 days to be exact. He's failed to decapitated the al-Qaeda leadership, because he got distracted once again fighting a previous war � in this case his daddy's. And in doing so he's only played right into his hands of bin Laden, who is making great hay of the "crusaders" attacking and occupying (admittedly, for no good reason) the seat of the old Islamic caliphate. If a President Gore had attacked the wrong country and blown off bin Laden for another five years, we'd never hear the end of it from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the rest of the Koolaid crowd. Or from me. Yet President Bush gets a pass? "Patriots," my ass. http://www.antiwar.com/sperry/ |
Thought I'd continue breaking these points up into smaller parts, just to save all from longwinded rants (see, I am thinking of others 
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| Originally posted by Q5echo Coulter only referenced the Cole bombing only to point out there were zero indictments given under the Clinton administration concerning the attack. sorry, thats a true statement. |
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| didn't have to. |
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| i don't know did they? wasn't she grilled by the 9/11 commission about that? |
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| i don't know, must not been a lie. what makes you think she was lying? |
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| Bush "received a one-and-a-half page briefing advising him that Osama bin Laden was capable of a major strike against the US, and that the plot could include the hijacking of an American airplane." Source: NBC, 9/10/02; LA Times, 9/27/01 |
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| why are you crying about this? there's no such thing as the "librul media" right? |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 and allow it to speak for itself, as well as compare what the GOP did to his bills and continual attempts to water down and belittle his efforts to increase anti-terrorism funding, but that would actually entail some critical thinking, so I guess we'll just skip over the hard stuff. |
wow! even Byron York agrees with me.
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| Bill Clinton�s Excuses No matter what he says, the record shows he failed to act against terrorism. By Byron York �I worked hard to try and kill him,� former president Bill Clinton told Fox News Sunday. �I tried. I tried and failed.� �Him� is Osama bin Laden. And in his interview with Fox News� Chris Wallace, the former president based nearly his entire defense on one source: Against All Enemies: Inside America�s War on Terror, the book by former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke. �All I�m asking is if anybody wants to say I didn�t do enough, you read Richard Clarke�s book,� Clinton said at one point in the interview. �All you have to do is read Richard Clarke�s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive systematic way to try to protect the country against terror,� he said at another. �All you have to do is read Richard Clarke�s findings and you know it�s not true,� he said at yet another point. In all, Clinton mentioned Clarke�s name 11 times during the Fox interview. But Clarke�s book does not, in fact, support Clinton�s claim. Judging by Clarke�s sympathetic account � as well as by the sympathetic accounts of other former Clinton aides like Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon � it�s not quite accurate to say that Clinton tried to kill bin Laden. Rather, he tried to convince � as opposed to, say, order � U.S. military and intelligence agencies to kill bin Laden. And when, on a number of occasions, those agencies refused to act, Clinton, the commander-in-chief, gave up. Clinton did not give up in the sense of an executive who gives an order and then moves on to other things, thinking the order is being carried out when in fact it is being ignored. Instead, Clinton knew at the time that his top military and intelligence officials were dragging their feet on going after bin Laden and al Qaeda. He gave up rather than use his authority to force them into action. Examples are all over Clarke�s book. On page 223, Clarke describes a meeting, in late 2000, of the National Security Council �principals� � among them, the heads of the CIA, the FBI, the Attorney General, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the secretaries of State, Defense. It was just after al Qaeda�s attack on the USS Cole. But neither the FBI nor the CIA would say that al Qaeda was behind the bombing, and there was little support for a retaliatory strike. Clarke quotes Mike Sheehan, a State Department official, saying in frustration, �What�s it going to take, Dick? Who the shit do they think attacked the Cole, fuckin� Martians? The Pentagon brass won�t let Delta go get bin Laden. Hell they won�t even let the Air Force carpet bomb the place. Does al Qaeda have to attack the Pentagon to get their attention?� That came later. But in October 2000, what would it have taken? A decisive presidential order � which never came. The story was the same with the CIA. On page 204, Clarke vents his frustration at the CIA�s slow-walking on the question of killing bin Laden. �I still to this day do not understand why it was impossible for the United States to find a competent group of Afghans, Americans, third-country nationals, or some combination who could locate bin Laden in Afghanistan and kill him,� Clarke writes. �I believe that those in CIA who claim the [presidential] authorizations were insufficient or unclear are throwing up that claim as an excuse to cover the fact that they were pathetically unable to accomplish the mission.� Clarke hit the CIA again a few pages later, on page 210, on the issue of the CIA�s refusal to budget money for the fight against al Qaeda. �The formal, official CIA response was that there were [no funds],� Clarke writes. �Another way to say that was that everything they were doing was more important than fighting al Qaeda.� The FBI proved equally frustrating. On page 217, Clarke describes a colleague, Roger Cressey, who was frustrated after meeting with an FBI representative on the subject of terrorism. �That ****** is going to get some Americans killed,� Clarke reports Cressey saying. �He just sits there like a bump on a log.� Clarke adds: �I knew he was talking about an FBI representative.� So Clinton couldn�t get the job done. Why not? According to Clarke�s pro-Clinton view, the president was stymied by Republican opposition. �Weakened by continual political attack,� Clarke writes, �[Clinton] could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat.� Republicans boxed Clinton in, Clarke writes, beginning in the 1992 campaign, with criticism of Clinton�s avoidance of the draft as a young man, and extending all the way to the Lewinsky scandal and the president�s impeachment. The bottom line, Clarke argues, is that the commander-in-chief was not in command. From page 225: Because of the intensity of the political opposition that Clinton engendered, he had been heavily criticized for bombing al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, for engaging in �Wag the Dog� tactics to divert attention from a scandal about his personal life. For similar reasons, he could not fire the recalcitrant FBI Director who had failed to fix the Bureau or to uncover terrorists in the United States. He had given the CIA unprecedented authority to go after bin Laden personally and al Qaeda, but had not taken steps when they did little or nothing. Because Clinton was criticized as a Vietnam War opponent without a military record, he was limited in his ability to direct the military to engage in anti-terrorist commando operations they did not want to conduct. He had tried that in Somalia, and the military had made mistakes and blamed him. In the absence of a bigger provocation from al Qaeda to silence his critics, Clinton thought he could do no more. In the end, Clarke writes, Clinton �put in place the plans and programs that allowed America to respond to the big attacks when they did come, sweeping away the political barriers to action.� But the bottom line is that Bill Clinton, the commander-in-chief, could not find the will to order the military into action against al Qaeda, and Bill Clinton, the head of the executive branch, could not find the will to order the CIA and FBI to act. No matter what the former president says on Fox, or anywhere else, that is his legacy in the war on terror. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo so what you're implying is that the Commander-in-Chief wasn't in command? yeah, i'd aggree to that |
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| stop with the excuses dude. we were at war. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo wow! even Byron York agrees with me. |
Ahh, fuck it, I'll do it now. Your yellow quote:
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| The bottom line, Clarke argues, is that the commander-in-chief was not in command. From page 225: Because of the intensity of the political opposition that Clinton engendered, he had been heavily criticized for bombing al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, for engaging in �Wag the Dog� tactics to divert attention from a scandal about his personal life. For similar reasons, he could not fire the recalcitrant FBI Director who had failed to fix the Bureau or to uncover terrorists in the United States. He had given the CIA unprecedented authority to go after bin Laden personally and al Qaeda, but had not taken steps when they did little or nothing. Because Clinton was criticized as a Vietnam War opponent without a military record, he was limited in his ability to direct the military to engage in anti-terrorist commando operations they did not want to conduct. He had tried that in Somalia, and the military had made mistakes and blamed him. In the absence of a bigger provocation from al Qaeda to silence his critics, Clinton thought he could do no more. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I made no implication of the sort |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Funny, seems that the GOP Congress didn't know accept that very well then, did they? Why was that? |
i pulled this off a blog.
Clinton's assertion:
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| Originally said by Bill Clinton OK, now let�s look at all the criticisms: Black Hawk down, Somalia. There is not a living soul in the world who thought that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with Black Hawk down or was paying any attention to it or even knew Al Qaida was a growing concern in October of �93. |
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| * ...Third, al Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United States armed forces in the Gulf War in 1991 and in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia in 1992 and 1993, which were viewed by al Qaeda as pretextual preparations for an American occupation of Islamic countries.... * ...At various times from at least as early as 1989, the defendant USAMA BIN LADEN, and others known and unknown, provided training camps and guesthouses in various areas, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Sudan, Somalia and Kenya for the use of al Qaeda and its affiliated groups. The Fatwah Against American Troops in Somalia At various times from in or about 1992 until in or about 1993, the defendant USAMA BIN LADEN, working together with members of the fatwah committee of al Qaeda, disseminated fatwahs to other members and associates of al Qaeda that the United States forces stationed in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, should be attacked; The Establishment of Training Camps for Somalia In or about late 1992 and 1993, the defendant MUHAMMAD ATEF traveled to Somalia on several occasions for the purpose of determining how best to cause violence to the United States and United Nations military forces stationed there and reported back to the defendant USAMA BIN LADEN and other al Qaeda members at USAMA BIN LADENS's facilities located in Khartoum, the Sudan; Beginning in or about early spring 1993, al Qaeda members, including the defendants MUHAMMAD ATEF, SAIF AL ADEL, ABDULLAH AHMED ABDULLAH, a/k/a/ "Abu Mohamed el Masry," ... along with "Abu Ubaidah al Banshiri," a co-conspirator not named herein as a defendant, provided military training and assistance to Somali tribes opposed to the United Nations' intervention in Somalia; The Attacks on the United States Forces in Somalia w. On October 3 and 4, 1993, in Mogadishu, Somalia, persons who had been trained by al Qaeda (and by trainers trained by al Qaeda) participated in an attack on United States military personnel serving in Somalia as part of Operation Restore Hope, which attack resulted in the killing of 18 United States Army personnel, namely, Donovan L. Briley, Daniel D. Busch, James M. Cavaco, William D. Cleveland, Thomas J. Field, Earl Fillmore, Raymond Frank, Gary I. Gordon, James C. Joyce, Richard W. Kowalski, James Martin, Timothy Martin, Dominick M. Pilla, Matthew L. Rierson, Lorenzo M. Ruiz, Randall D. Shughart, James E. Smith, and Clifton Wolcott. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo the most of entire country was in a pre 9/11 mindset pre 9/11, including myself up until the Cole. this thread has nothing to do the Congress. what did they [GOP] have like a 1 seat majority. Clinton was the Executive. the Executive controls our country's posture at the levels necesary to fight an enemy that chose to wage war on us. he failed. |
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| you admit he failed when you defend him using Congress and the media as an example of his shortcomings. |
some other events on his watch.
-Five days after Clinton took office, Mir Aimal Kasi shot two Central Intelligence Agency employees in their cars while waiting in the morning traffic outside CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The attack left three other people wounded. (To their credit, they caught this guy.)
-On March 8, 1994, two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.
-On November 13, 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians.
-On February 23, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal, a Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the �enemies of Palestine.�
-On November 12, 1997, two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi.
-On December 28, 1998, Yemeni militants kidnapped a group of western tourists, including 12 Britons, 2 Americans, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day.
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| Originally posted by Q5echo i pulled this off a blog. Clinton's assertion: the facts: >from his own Justice Department's indictment OF Mohamed Atta circa 1998< |
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| Based on evidence developed in its investigation of the 1998 bombings of two American embassies in Africa, the U.S. Justice Department indicted Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda's military commander, Mohammed Atef, on Nov. 4, 1998, for conspiring to kill Americans. The indictment included the following references to Somalia and Al Qaeda's training and support to Somali fighters. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 But contrary to those beliefs, Q, Congress does actually have quite a bit of power vested to it under our governmental system. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo some other events on his watch. -Five days after Clinton took office, Mir Aimal Kasi shot two Central Intelligence Agency employees in their cars while waiting in the morning traffic outside CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The attack left three other people wounded. (To their credit, they caught this guy.) -On March 8, 1994, two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan. -On November 13, 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. -On February 23, 1997, Ali Abu Kamal, a Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the �enemies of Palestine.� -On November 12, 1997, two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. -On December 28, 1998, Yemeni militants kidnapped a group of western tourists, including 12 Britons, 2 Americans, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day. |
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