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Hot cue vs cue

I cannot search for this due to the 4 letter minimum word search criteria - although I'm sure it's been discussed before. Can someone either link me to the thread or explain what is the difference between cue and hot cue (as available on the CDJ1000).

Basically I'm comparing the CDJ800 and 1000.

Cheers

Jarv

In a nutshell, cue is where you want your track to start from so on the CDJ800 you can set 1 cue point. Hot cue means you can set several cue points storing each under 1 of 3 buttons then jump between them at will by pressing the relevant button.

I believe on the CDJ1000mk3 there is also Hot loops - so you can also set up instant loops in the same way.

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Originally posted by Trance Android In a nutshell, cue is where you want your track to start from so on the CDJ800 you can set 1 cue point. Hot cue means you can set several cue points storing each under 1 of 3 buttons then jump between them at will by pressing the relevant button. I believe on the CDJ1000mk3 there is also Hot loops - so you can also set up instant loops in the same way.

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On the CDJ 800, you have 1 cue point and 2 loop cue points for loops(loop start, loop end) at all time, however, you can store multiple cue points through the internal memory of the 800(max 10 per cd). However, if you want to jump to another cue point stored in the internal memory, you can not do that live, where accessing another stored cue point it stops the track live and takes a second to retrieve the cue point.

With 1000, you can have access to a total of 4 cue points at all time. (three of those are hot cues/ hot loops, and one cue/start) So in other words you're able to set your cue on 4 different spots of a cd, and jump between those cue points instantaneously.
This will allow more creativity and flexibilty in playing live.

Thankyou for the explanation chaps.

Jarv

I disagree on the main point of it...

For me, the main point of a hot cue is that you can instantly start the track from a point at the press of a button, meaning you can almost use your CD deck as a sampler - set up a hot cue at the start of a particular sound and every time you hit the button it'll play the sound, meaning with your 3 hot cues set to a kick, a snare and a hihat, you can actually drum out a rhythm.

Yeah it's useful to have more than 1 cue point for general cueing purposes, but where the hotcues differ is when you hit the button it plays from there instantly - to play from a normal cue point you have to return to the cue point, at which point it stops, then start again... so you'll always have a break in the sound (the time for which the deck is stopped at the cue point)... with hot cues it's instant so you can keep the sound going.

another nice thing on the hot cues (cdj1000mk3 and cmx only though) is that it can also store loops. this is good on tracks wqith very short intro's, you don't have to get the loop set up evey time.
also remember that the 1000's allow you to store those cue points on a memory card, so they'll be available when you play on a venue's gear as well as at home.

You can store loops on the CDJ800 mk2 actually, but obviously as you haven't got hot starts you can't jump straight into a loop - you have to flick to the start point then play from there.

The other awesome thing I found out about the CDJ800 mk2 / 1000 mk3 is actually if you have 2 copies of the same CD and you store a loop or cue point for one of them, you'll be able to access it with the other copy... I always thought they did it by some kind of unique CD id but obviously not - very useful if like me you have and CDs with 2 copies of each so you can mix from a track on one into a track on the other (in my case sample/loop CDs but I know a lot of people do it with their main tunes they burn off)

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I disagree on the main point of it... For me, the main point of a hot cue is that you can instantly start the track from a point at the press of a button, meaning you can almost use your CD deck as a sampler - set up a hot cue at the start of a particular sound and every time you hit the button it'll play the sound, meaning with your 3 hot cues set to a kick, a snare and a hihat, you can actually drum out a rhythm. Yeah it's useful to have more than 1 cue point for general cueing purposes, but where the hotcues differ is when you hit the button it plays from there instantly - to play from a normal cue point you have to return to the cue point, at which point it stops, then start again... so you'll always have a break in the sound (the time for which the deck is stopped at the cue point)... with hot cues it's instant so you can keep the sound going.

This is why it's great to have a site like this - to learn & discover others will have a different view on how functions & features can be utilised Cheers.

One thing you might not know on CDJ800 is the Quick Return feature so there is no pause when using it. Touch the platter face when Quick Return is lit & the track instantly returns to & plays from the cue point. I guess that could be used as a mini sampler as you said or maybe scratchers would also use it.

PS Yeah I also thought the cue info was unique to the CD - another good find!

Yeah the problem with Quick Return is it starts playback from the cue point when you RELEASE the platter - so to get it to instantly start playing from the cue point again, you need to tap the platter completely instantaneously, which always results in a short gap. Even if you hold your finger on the platter in quick return (so it pauses at the cue point), if you try and lift your finger off right on a beat (so theoretically the track starts playing in time straight away) there always seems to be a slight lag... not exactly ideal...

the only time i use the hot cue is when im recording a set.....


i know what tracks im gonna play so where i want it cued up.. i save it and then if i want to record again fro some reason, i dont have to find the cue point... i just hit C and b0p its there.

Hot cues saves me a lot of time.. I can even throw in an acapella or some samples with only 2 CDJs.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox You can store loops on the CDJ800 mk2 actually, but obviously as you haven't got hot starts you can't jump straight into a loop - you have to flick to the start point then play from there.

If I understand you correctly, would you be able to store a cue point at the exact same point as the loop start, and sort of overcome it that way?

I'm trying hard to understand here!

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister If I understand you correctly, would you be able to store a cue point at the exact same point as the loop start, and sort of overcome it that way? I'm trying hard to understand here! Jarv

No, sorry obviously didn't explain it well enough - the point is that when you retrieve a stored loop, it takes you to the start of the loop and pauses there, so to enter a loop you'd have to hit (at least) one button to go to the loop then another button (the start button) to start playing again... and in the time between these two button presses would be silence, no matter how quickly you hit one button after another you're never going to make it instant.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox No, sorry obviously didn't explain it well enough - the point is that when you retrieve a stored loop, it takes you to the start of the loop and pauses there, so to enter a loop you'd have to hit (at least) one button to go to the loop then another button (the start button) to start playing again... and in the time between these two button presses would be silence, no matter how quickly you hit one button after another you're never going to make it instant.

ehhh mine doesnt do that... mine just plays it after i push the button.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox No, sorry obviously didn't explain it well enough - the point is that when you retrieve a stored loop, it takes you to the start of the loop and pauses there, so to enter a loop you'd have to hit (at least) one button to go to the loop then another button (the start button) to start playing again... and in the time between these two button presses would be silence, no matter how quickly you hit one button after another you're never going to make it instant.

jah,

but just to make sure, u still have to specify loop out once u hit the hot cue, right?

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Originally posted by nchs09 ehhh mine doesnt do that... mine just plays it after i push the button.

So you can set up a loop, hit the memory button (storing it to memory), then hit one of the call buttons to retrieve it and it starts playing the loop straight away?

Lucky man if it does, that doesn't happen with mine! What model of CDJ have you got?

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Originally posted by Abhay jah, but just to make sure, u still have to specify loop out once u hit the hot cue, right?

That was talking about storing loops and retrieving them from memory as a possible alternative to hot cues (which I'm afraid I don't think would be anywhere near as effective), not actually using hot cues.

With the CDJ1000 mk3, if you set up a loop and hit the hot cue 'rec mode' button then one of the hot cue buttons, it stores the loop in a hot cue button, so when not in rec mode, if you hit the relevant hot cue button, it will go straight into the loop you had set up previously.

As far as storing hot cues to memory goes, any hot cues you had set up for a CD the last time you put it in the player will instantly be loaded back into the hot cue bank when you insert the CD, so you can use the same hot cues or hot loops straight away.

(Wasn't quite sure what you meant so thought I'd clarify all the relevant points)

ya.. its the mk3


i never use it though, but iv used it a couple of times and i forget the hot cue is a loop so in the breakdown im wating and wating and i forget its looped and im like "fucking idiot!"


and hit exit

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Originally posted by nchs09 ya.. its the mk3 i never use it though, but iv used it a couple of times and i forget the hot cue is a loop so in the breakdown im wating and wating and i forget its looped and im like "fucking idiot!" and hit exit

Hot cues & hot loops are automatically retrieved when you put the CD in so you shouldn't have to use the "call" buttons... or are you just referring to stored loops, not loops sorted in hot cues?

I've actually got a CDJ800 so that might be the difference with retrieving a loop, but would still surprise me.

wait i think u conffused ME now



i thought you were saying if you save a loop on the as a hot cue..


that then when u hit the button... u would have to then press play and there would be a a gamp in the music...


but i can sample loops... i can have 3 loops stored and cross from one loop to the other with out having to push play.


if that made any sense.

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Originally posted by nchs09 wait i think u conffused ME now i thought you were saying if you save a loop on the as a hot cue.. that then when u hit the button... u would have to then press play and there would be a a gamp in the music... but i can sample loops... i can have 3 loops stored and cross from one loop to the other with out having to push play. if that made any sense.

Sorry, yeah I was referring to the CDJ800's LACK of hot cues and ways to overcome that

But yeah, hot cues should always start instantly - that's the point in them

We obviously just got a bit confused there

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