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chordspace, what do you guys think.

hey guys, i just saw a video over at t.nu in a thread. some program called chordspace, generates notes or something like that, what do you guys think about the prog. ive never used it prob. never will.

post the link to the video.. should be interesting

http://www.chordspace.com/ChordSpaceindex.htm



http://www.trancecreator.com/adam/a...lody/index.html

That is fascinating.

Unfortunately. I have this feeling we'll be hearing a lot of it more and more.



But the way it visually lays out chords is really beautiful. Props to them.

I'm finding this really interesting and useful as a learning tool because of its emphasis on jazz. I was classically trained but of course that taught me nothing about jazz and I've never found any decent material on it. So while I don't intend to actually go about clicking mindlessly when I'm actually working on a track, this seems great to play with during the downtime and see what progressions actually work.

That's just me though... I'm sure a lot of people who are more proficient with jazz will thumb their noses at it.

Guys, I can't seem to get this Chordspace thing to work in Cubase. The video shows something like Fruity wrapper, but I'm lost on how to set this up in Cubase.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.

BB

Just put it in your VST folder.

Oh my goodness, this looks quite promising. Thanks!

ok lol, cool plugin.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Just put it in your VST folder.

Diginut: thanks. But that's not the issue. I can select it as VST(I?) in SX. In the video it links to FM7 to generate sound. But I cannot get it to generate sound on it's own or to link to another VSTI to generate sound

In general: I cannot seem to find an options or preference menu or so to set it up: It does receive midi tho...

thanks!

BB

I think it would be very useful as a learning tool if it would somehow show some basic guidelines like chord roles and where they tend to resolve etc. On the other hand, one should probably learn some basic theory like that before trying to make full use of this. Looks interesting anyway, I think I'll give it a try

Erm, is it just me or are you limited to Major scales only?

go to the chordspace website it instructs you on how to install/set it up for the different sequencers

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Originally posted by Beautiful Beast Diginut: thanks. But that's not the issue. I can select it as VST(I?) in SX. In the video it links to FM7 to generate sound. But I cannot get it to generate sound on it's own or to link to another VSTI to generate sound

It'll only send the notes to a MIDI port. If you have a hardware instrument then it's just a matter of connecting your PC's MIDI OUT to the instrument's MIDI IN and select that MIDI port on the plugin.

If not, then you probably need a virtual MIDI cable like Maple. It just functions as a loopback; you can use the same MIDI port as an output from Chordspace (or any other MIDI generator) and as an input to a MIDI track in Cubase, which is obviously hooked up to the VST you want to play on.

Just be careful of feedback when using virtual cables. If you're in the habit of setting every track to accept input and generate output on all MIDI channels, you'll crash your system trying to use that.

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Originally posted by Stuart Silver Erm, is it just me or are you limited to Major scales only?

It really wouldn't make any difference in jazz. The only difference between major and minor scales is the raised 6th/7th in minor scales, but jazz music uses all sorts of accidentals and key changes anyway.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It really wouldn't make any difference in jazz. The only difference between major and minor scales is the raised 6th/7th in minor scales, but jazz music uses all sorts of accidentals and key changes anyway.

Yeah, thats fair enough. Just limits its usage for dance/trance music as most of it is in minor scales.

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Originally posted by Stuart Silver Yeah, thats fair enough. Just limits its usage for dance/trance music as most of it is in minor scales.

I don't know what you're on about - the only chord that's actually "missing" from the minor scale is the diminished 7th and one or two inversions, and I almost never hear those chords used in any trance music.

There still seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between keys, chords, and scales. A piece isn't "in" a scale, it's "in" a key. Most trance music that's in a minor key is using the notes of the natural minor scale and not the harmonic or melodic minor, which makes the actual chords precisely the same as those used in the relative major. The progression I-IV-V-I (by far the most common progression used in trance today) using the natural minor scale notes is the exact same as VI-II-III-VI in the relative major. So other than the progression making more sense when written in the minor key, it doesn't really make any difference whether it's claimed to be in a major or minor key, unless you see the raised 7th which you usually don't.

In any event, trance comprises about 10% of all electronic music if that. Several types of EDM including house, D'n'B, and a large amount of breaks and downtempo/trip-hop use jazz-style chord progressions and yes, clearly that's what it's geared toward. But it's actually perfectly fine for the more simplistic progressions used in trance as well.

Mind you, I'm not advocating for the use of this plugin in any actual track, trance or house or otherwise. I really think it's better as a learning tool than a compositional one.

Bobba lou, Diginut: thanks. I guess I'll try a virtual midi cable then.

cheers,

BB

Interesting

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't know what you're on about - the only chord that's actually "missing" from the minor scale is the diminished 7th and one or two inversions, and I almost never hear those chords used in any trance music. There still seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between keys, chords, and scales. A piece isn't "in" a scale, it's "in" a key. Most trance music that's in a minor key is using the notes of the natural minor scale and not the harmonic or melodic minor, which makes the actual chords precisely the same as those used in the relative major. The progression I-IV-V-I (by far the most common progression used in trance today) using the natural minor scale notes is the exact same as VI-II-III-VI in the relative major. So other than the progression making more sense when written in the minor key, it doesn't really make any difference whether it's claimed to be in a major or minor key, unless you see the raised 7th which you usually don't. In any event, trance comprises about 10% of all electronic music if that. Several types of EDM including house, D'n'B, and a large amount of breaks and downtempo/trip-hop use jazz-style chord progressions and yes, clearly that's what it's geared toward. But it's actually perfectly fine for the more simplistic progressions used in trance as well. Mind you, I'm not advocating for the use of this plugin in any actual track, trance or house or otherwise. I really think it's better as a learning tool than a compositional one.

Yeah, sorry my bad - I meant 'key' not scale & I didn't think about using the relative Major chords. I'd easier for me to think of chord progressions in the minor keys (I-IV-V-I as you say) rather than transposing it into the relative Major. I'll have a bit more of a play about with it tonight.

I am but a musical theory simpleton

Yes I made the video, Im glad I could inspire some to try it out.
The chordspace acts as an instrument so put it in your sequencer as an instruments and not an fx. Chordspace uses midi, so when you press a button on it you should hear midi notes play (like a midi piano sound or something). If you dont hear anything then you have set up your midi routings in your soundcard wrong.

The sending midi to another instrument is advanced stuff and you can see how easily its made in FL. If no other host offers this or its too complicated then that program is not worth using

All the best,
Adam

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