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why get serato..when there is ableton?

I'm probably just being a n00b..but..I was planning on getting Serato and a laptop. But, after reading all that ableton can do, it sounds like it is all serato..and then some.

I want to get away from carrying around cds.

here you go:

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Originally posted by Inertia the original 'point' of FS/SS was not having to bring your records anymore. not having to sort through 3000 vinyls to get ready for a gig, not having to put such records at risk of damage, and not having problems in a flight with records being stolen or delayed. and its biggest selling point - you can conrol a digital source with an analog means; vinyl. i still have friends who hate themselves for buying CDJs, and would rather spin the same MP3 they bought off beatport with a vinyl if they could. FS/SS pre-dates the Ableton DJing craze, not to mention, some people (including me) are against spinning entire sets with Ableton. it's great for recorded sessions, when you really wanna experiment, but unless you are going ALL OUT creating some serious madness on the fly, DJing with Ableton is merely button pressing. the fact that you have to worry a lot less about beatmatching in my eyes obligates you to take everything else a step further. just using it as a source for tracks is pretty retarded, if you're spinning from Ableton, you should at least be able to create a complete collage of tracks based from the tracks' loops. i'm not accusing you of anything, btw, just saying in general. IMO, when the day comes that i use it out, i will use it to complement my tracks, create tracks from loops on the fly, and such, but i doubt it will be the center of the set.

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Originally posted by Inertia dude, what i'm saying is, you can't even compare the two. Ableton is basically a live production tool. FS/Serato, etc. is just an attempt to merge the worlds of digital and analog. for the vinyl junkies who want to play their mp3s, or the guys who are tired of lugging boxes around. nothing more.

Serato is there for those who still love the analog approach. They don't want to give up the feel of vinyl. Besides, Serato and Ableton aren't close to the same program since one's a sequencer and the other's an mp3 vinyl emulator. Now what would be cool would be if Ableton somehow found a way to incorporate a Serato-esque feature into a future version. That way it'd be pretty much all-purpose, but it'd be tough to figure out how to get all of Ableton's features to form with Serato features and the like (i.e mashups and live editing on an emulated vinyl taken from an mp3).

If that last part made no sense, then just don't pay any attention to me.

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Originally posted by Demoted Serato is there for those who still love the analog approach. They don't want to give up the feel of vinyl. Besides, Serato and Ableton aren't close to the same program since one's a sequencer and the other's an mp3 vinyl emulator. Now what would be cool would be if Ableton somehow found a way to incorporate a Serato-esque feature into a future version. That way it'd be pretty much all-purpose, but it'd be tough to figure out how to get all of Ableton's features to form with Serato features and the like (i.e mashups and live editing on an emulated vinyl taken from an mp3). If that last part made no sense, then just don't pay any attention to me.

i currently have 2 cdjs...all my music is digital. So it looks like me buying serato would be kind of a waste of money. It would be nice to have all that music organized though.

+1 to inertia's great (re)post

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Originally posted by xstalkrx i currently have 2 cdjs...all my music is digital. So it looks like me buying serato would be kind of a waste of money. It would be nice to have all that music organized though.

Not Really, I also have CDJ's but I would prefer to have Serato.

Burning the music to CD's consumes a lot of time.

and it would be more organized.

CDJ1000s + Serato + Ableton + Sasha's Maven = What I need.

I use serato.. i like keeping the tt's involved! I am getting ready to make the big step and buy the djm800 and ableton that way i can incorporate ableton in my sets, but i think it will take me a long time before i'm ready to use ableton and serato together at a gig (correct me if i'm wrong)

Not tryin to hijack your thread, but does anyone here use ableton and serato together when they perform? How is it? I bet its complicated and hard as fuck!! i'm gonna give it a shot eventually...

It isn't too hard if you edit all of your tracks to be the same BPM and leave the decks quartz lock on. And fire loops from Ableton at the same BPM.

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Originally posted by Zild It isn't too hard if you edit all of your tracks to be the same BPM and leave the decks quartz lock on. And fire loops from Ableton at the same BPM.

But... I always go up in tempo as the energy builds... that would be so boring...

i'm not 100% into ableton as a live DJ tool, so i must ask

aren't there MIDI beatclocks for this? i've never used ableton in conjunction with decks (except for a quick fuckaround on a friend's XONE:3D) but aren't there things that take care of feeding ableton the tempo of your current music, which in turn, allows you to seemlessly layer loops over it?

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Originally posted by Allied Nations But... I always go up in tempo as the energy builds... that would be so boring...

That's still easy to do.

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Originally posted by Inertia i'm not 100% into ableton as a live DJ tool, so i must ask aren't there MIDI beatclocks for this? i've never used ableton in conjunction with decks (except for a quick fuckaround on a friend's XONE:3D) but aren't there things that take care of feeding ableton the tempo of your current music, which in turn, allows you to seemlessly layer loops over it?

Yes there are such things.

then why do a bunch of paople bitch about how hard ableton is to keep in time, and how hard it would be to use with FS/Serato?

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Originally posted by Zild It isn't too hard if you edit all of your tracks to be the same BPM and leave the decks quartz lock on. And fire loops from Ableton at the same BPM.

you make it sound soo easy lol.

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Originally posted by discobiscuit you make it sound soo easy lol.

Actually it is pretty damn easy, especially when you have a midiclock hooked up, but its still pretty easy even if you don't, just requires abit more work, there isn't a whole lot Ableton can't do, for me the ONLY thing it lacks is fun factor, maybe if I had a XONE:3D or other top notch midi controller I would be well into it, but with just a keyboard and mouse right now, Ableton is fuckin boring to use.

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Originally posted by Inertia then why do a bunch of paople bitch about how hard ableton is to keep in time, and how hard it would be to use with FS/Serato?

I dunno why people would complain, Ableton can have problems if the tracks you are slicing up on the fly are very complex, so that can effect how the beats line up, as for getting in sync with your turntables, well it depends on if you are controlling it with a midiclock or doing it manually, but throwing Serato or FS into the loop really doesn't complex things IMO, not unless your running both apps on the same computer.

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Originally posted by Inertia then why do a bunch of paople bitch about how hard ableton is to keep in time, and how hard it would be to use with FS/Serato?

It's hard to keep in time with a deck playing a regular record / cd playing a regular cd...

Although a midi controller with a slider you assign to the project tempo would solve this, giving you a nice little deck-like pitch slider.

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