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US Dept of Justice wants to crackdown on drugs by surfing forums
"...a new report suggests the DOJ is actively working on an Internet strategy to target the Web as a source for infiltrating raves, as part of its crackdown on ecstasy, LSD and GHB, commonly called "club drugs."
Source: Wired
DOJ's Dot-Narc Rave Strategy
By Brad King
2:00 a.m. March 13, 2002 PST
Jason Corona lives in California's Mojave Desert, a teenage wasteland if ever there was one.
It's a two-hour drive to the nearest rave, which in earlier years might have presented a problem when it came to finding out where the best DJs are spinning records on the hottest dance floors.
These days, the Internet makes finding those raves easy. Corona scans message boards and websites for local clubs, looking for party information so he and his friends don't waste a precious Saturday night driving around.
But rave enthusiasts aren't the only ones with peering eyes. Law enforcement agencies have distributed an updated version of Reefer Madness, the 1936 cult movie about the dangers of marijuana. The new film introduces police agencies to the DOJ's version of raves. Several clubs have been busted over the past two years as a result of the Department of Justice's tactic of raiding raves as part of its war on drugs.
On top of that, a new report suggests the DOJ is actively working on an Internet strategy to target the Web as a source for infiltrating raves, as part of its crackdown on ecstasy, LSD and GHB, commonly called "club drugs."
That has set off alarm bells at the American Civil Liberties Union.
"Much of what the government seems interested in is protected by the First Amendment," said ACLU lawyer Graham Boyd, who is in charge of tracking the government as it begins a crackdown on the electronica dance scene.
"Where a party is, information about the effects of ecstasy, information on harm, and measures to protect yourself if you are taken; that is all legal. It's just speech. One thing that is fundamentally American is that we don't attack the music, we attack the drugs."
Much of the concern centers on a report by the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), an arm of the DOJ, that said "the openness of the Internet, its global reach and its ease of access" allows drug users to push their products on unsuspecting young people. With over 85 percent of American teenagers using the Web on a regular basis, the government sees the news groups and message boards that house rave discussions as a source for the latest information on drugs.
Since ISPs are largely insulated from revealing user information and host computers can be masked, the study recommends monitoring and tracking websites that post information about drugs.
The NDIC said five types of people should be targeted, including previous drug offenders, legalization advocates, anarchists and people promoting "an expanded freedom of expression" that pushes the boundaries of the First Amendment.
The NDIC can't dictate policy, but its recommendations are considered by the Justice Department. Representatives from the DOJ did not return several phone calls over three weeks regarding this matter.
While an active law enforcement stance hasn't been developed yet, there is little argument that the rave and electronica scene have become targets. Last year, several promoters around the country were prosecuted under the "crack house" law meant to punish landlords who let rental properties become rife with drug lords.
The most ominous case revolved around three New Orleans, Louisiana, rave promoters who were brought up on charges after Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided a party looking for evidence of drug use -- evidence that included paraphernalia such as glow sticks and bottled water. The three, Rob Brunet, Brian Brunet and James Estopinal, were ready to plead guilty until the ACLU got involved.
The trio was acquitted, but a chilling effect has come to the rave scene. Several cities have already passed bills outlawing the dances.
With the specter of Internet raids on the horizon, Boyd said it's more important than ever to protect the rights of individuals. Instructions for making drugs or soliciting sales is most likely illegal, Boyd said, but that doesn't give the government carte blanche when it comes to regulating the Internet.
The threat of a crackdown could cause sites with legitimate information on the effects of club drugs to shut down, Boyd said. That threat is very real for one woman who became a website moderator after her son overdosed on drugs in 1996. She asked to have her name withheld because she doesn't want to bring government scrutiny to her site.
She found the message board while looking for information on raves, trying to find out what her son did. She was skeptical at first, figuring most of the people wanted to get high and dance. Instead, she found an eclectic group whose age range spans several decades.
"I found a community of interesting, intelligent, committed, normal young people with great love for music and dancing," she said. "A small minority of them had worrisome drug-abuse issues, but most of them seemed to have their heads on far straighter than many of my age-mates had during the '60s or '70s."
She is concerned the government will come calling, leaving the 1,200 message board members without a place to talk. Eliminating the social scene would ultimately leave kids without anyone to help guide them.
"Some representatives of the government would love to shut down sites and lists like ours," she said. "The government has the right to target drug use, but that means arresting drug dealers and people who possess drugs. Shutting down raves doesn't stop, or even slow down, drug use. Shutdowns just make the events more dangerous."
The ravers themselves have also banded together to form the Electronic Music Education and Defense Fund, an organization that raises money for people who have been charged with crimes for hosting raves.
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bahahah!!!! Oh man, big brother cometh. Idiots.
WHAT!?!?!???
Ok....1st Internet Radio Streaming....now THIS??
I'm not an advocate for drugs (of any kind) but this even pisses me off....
well its retarded, even THEY should know a LOT of the info (or specifically people talking about drugs n whatnot) could be complete horseshit. they really need to just move on...but this is the funniest part:
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| But rave enthusiasts aren't the only ones with peering eyes. Law enforcement agencies have distributed an updated version of Reefer Madness, the 1936 cult movie about the dangers of marijuana. The new film introduces police agencies to the DOJ's version of raves. Several clubs have been busted over the past two years as a result of the Department of Justice's tactic of raiding raves as part of its war on drugs. |
i've heard of local police snooping around rave sites like www.dallasraves.org but why would they be snooping around on international websites like this one? TA is based in Canada right?
They had this happened already.
I think it was around last summer when a Bluelight get together got raided because the kids on Bluelight posted time, date and location of a small rave they put together.
Bluelight, if anyone doesn't know is a rave discussion board that's been around a few time.
Yeah, I think they rented out a party room at a hotel and told the mamager that it was a birthday party. But the cops we reading their board and new of the location and even which hotels they were staying in. It was a dark day on Bluelight since alot of memeber from the site attended the party and were arrested for drug possession and some other charges.
Anyways back to the topic. This is just alot of horse poop. I think alot of kids are smart enough to know what to say and what not to say on a board. If they don't then they deserve to be busted by the cops.
But if the DOJ thinks that they can use something as a message on a internet board to create charges, then they've been watch Reefer Madness too much.
This is Big Brother showing the public it is making a difference. I wish the government get their heads out of their ass and realize the more they fight the more they promote. Educate!
PAyce
yeah, I know they checked out the local pages of ravehard.com, electrocalgary.com and the promoters pages @ defstar.com and maybe others
in fact..one of the most shocking things ive ever seen was the local promoter(yes..there is 1 main one) saying we need better pills in the city. That too much of the scene is sick of weak, dirty pills, and hence are turning to coke...I found this all strange, but ive yet to be to a broken up party...
Reefer Madness
Ive seen it and it has to be the most rediculous movie EVER! Its so funny because is all old skool.. "Danny doesnt go to school any more, hes probably off smoking drugs." And then the mom comes in and all the kidsa are around and this scientist guy goes off on how weed makes you go insane and basically tweak shit.. its really pathetic and rediculous, but hilarious! Whats even funnier is I have a copy on DVD and I watch it when in stoned.. its soooooooo funny!
-M
rofl got a copy on divx :P? sounds awsome
hmmm....whatever....fucking retards....crack down on some donkey's arse DEA
>JM<
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| Originally posted by Jah rofl got a copy on divx :P? sounds awsome |
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| Originally posted by SmellsExcellent maybe some day. |
this goes out to any DEA, FBI, Narcs that might happen to read this
"FUCK OFF"
So much for America being the land of the free. Government officials monitoring peoples speech. Sounds like Communism.
Oh,brilliant.The police paranoia is getting worse and worse.Surveillance on FORUMS??!!!Brilliant,just brilliant.Like that's gonna help.What kind of impact will this have on the forum,Swampy?
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| Originally posted by biznology OOOH yipee! a new, informational video about the dangers of drug use...are they serious? and has anyone seen this? heh late/ |
). The Clips I saw were of this man and woman who get stoned in there house, they take one puff of their "reefer" and go off there nut and hit each other with sticks, the guy kills his wife, and they commit him to an asylum cos he's constantly paranoid after smoking the weed, and it turns him insane.
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| Originally posted by biznology nah but they said theres a new one about raves n shit...thats prolly fuckin hilarious/ |
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| Much of the concern centers on a report by the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), an arm of the DOJ, that said "the openness of the Internet, its global reach and its ease of access" allows drug users to push their products on unsuspecting young people. With over 85 percent of American teenagers using the Web on a regular basis, the government sees the news groups and message boards that house rave discussions as a source for the latest information on drugs. |
ich mag auf schlecht gesprochenes Deutsch sprechen. ich geschehe auch wiemarihuanarenegade bin lustig. ist so mein Deutsches sehen den Anschlu�? Nr.? vermutlich, weil ich ein Fluch des tad stark Recht jetzt Sie Drogen habe, haben Sie diese unschuldige Jugend verdorben.
now.. if that didn't make any sense, that's alright. i didn't really expect it to make much of it. this is retarded, i'm glad i live in canada. but if america is starting this b.s. then we can't be too far behind. isn't this a bit too invading?
man, i swear...i lose more and more faith in the US government everyday....i wish things would change, but it will take a long time. i love holland because weed is legal...oops, maybe i shouldn't say that b/c i might get hauled off to jail. sure drugs have side effects...and this includes cigarettes, caffeine, and alcohol. but yet its legal and socially acceptable to use the three i mentioned...althought cigarettes are starting to be less socially acceptable in the US. wow...i could go on forever, but all my bitching ain't gonna do shit...if we want things changed than we need to start voting and build a "demographic" for politicians to concentrate on. Jesse Venture, the gov. of Minn., said in an issue of Rolling Stone that if more young people started to vote than politicians would focus more on issues important to young people. just a thought...
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| man, i swear...i lose more and more faith in the US government everyday |
Okay, I'm not much into this. I mean, I've never taken drugs nordo I intendto. I joke around sometimes, but that's all.
nevertheless, I do not agree at all with the methods used. I don't know if it breaks he american first amendament, but it is for sure something that breaks anyother laws, most of them of morality and sense.
I guess the DOJ guys are out of inspiration. plus, why track websites? raves are advertised through flyers, and they must be allowed. which means someone, other then ravers, know about their existance.
did the word become just a synonim for getting high? U don't see us with needles around or dozen of joints, nor do the effects of the ocassional 'trips' are eaily spotted by those aorund us; hell, how many people told me, seriously, I was on E and I wasn't. what else must we bear until we will be let to manifest freely? are we that bad? terrorists? they make wars and they call us criminals. for what? what's our crime? cuz we dare to escape everyday life somehow? and they envy us. they look for ways to destroy us. so?... fuck them (with their law)!
k, maybe I am not making sense. maybe everyone feels the same so I haven't said anything new. but there's too much bullshit in everybody lately. bottom line, this is big big bullshit. all have to sffer bc they don't have any other way to prevent drug use but by invading everyone else's privacy. I feel sorry for them, if tha's how low they've come.
sorry for not makin sense to some. my ideas are kinda ravaged right now.
hyp
* goes and deletes a few old posts *
Anyway the DOJ have no power over me 
And even if they felt like contacting UK authorities, they've got better things to do than lock a load of people up for some recreational drug use.
On the other hand though, if anybody thought this site was being used for the same purposes as Bluelight (which I would consider more drug-oriantated than rave-oriantated - at least it was when I used to use it) then it could lead to future problems as far as TA is concerned. Not that I had any problem with Bluelight, other than that some if the users in the drug discussion sprouted quite a few myths.
true, Spad; I don't think they could get to me either. but this is more write or wrong issue. it will not directly affect many of us, especially those that do not use drugs; but let's say they don't like the fact that some posters here talk 2 much about them. I don't know if they have authority (I doubt it, cuz this is Canada and that is US but... I ain't sure) but just the thought about it...
there are sites out there that are more in-depth about drugs. urban75 had a guide of how to sneak drugs at parties and clubs; what drugs (E especially) contain, and so forth.
are these websites dangerous? this is a question to which many would say yes, except maybe those that use'em. but isn't America a place of democracy? allowing drugs to be legal is like telling everyone 'yeah, it's okay to use'em, go ahead', so it's not a good idea to do it.
but just let it be. people using drugs have made a choice. I believe evryone should be free for everything that they do - as long as it does not influence those around him (negatively of course). but closing down some sites just bc they deal with this subject is just immature and too conservatoristic (hope this word exists 
). people have the right to inform themselves and eachother about anything.
even drugs.
hyp
Welcome to the sad sad world of the drug war. Personal rights and common sense are hard to keep with the madmen at the DEA.
If this shocks you people, you should hear the multiple of unbelievable stories about what the drug war does to law abiding citizens.. Even worse are the horror stories of people who lose their homes, lifes, all over a few marijuana plants in their houses.
The DEA wanted to pass a bill allowing them to use infared heat sensors to look into anyones houses without any cause/warrant etc...
Since my website deals with drugs I'm constantly thinking about what ridiculous things the DEA is upto. The stories that I hear on a weekly basis make me sick, how far the DEA goes to ruin lives of people who don't deserve it.
It won't be long before the Shroomery website gets moved up here to Canada where the out of control drug war can't touch us.
Ironic how the DEA is telling Canada to be tougher on drugs by making sentences harsher in Canada. Most wonderfull thing is that in BC the courts their told the US DEA to piss off basicly, a country with so many problems in the drug war shouldn't be telling anyone how to deal with it. Especially when here in Canada marijuana is not far from being de-criminalized and eventually legalized.
The DEA and friends tried to shut down raves permanently, they failed, but they will continue using any and ALL means (legal/illegal) to get at the ravers and the drugs...
If there is one thing I could hope people would learn, is that the DEA is one of the most dangerous and out of control organizations since Hitler's SS.. I am not saying this jokingly either 
thor...dude, you're so right about the DEA...but, i think the supreme court overruled the idea of using heat sensors to detect growing lamps...or at least law enforcement can't only use these sensors to target specific individuals....they have to have some other proof of them growing...i might have it wrong, but i read this in this month's issue of High Times....i'll look it up....
OK.
The truth will now come out.
I am the FBI agent spying on any drug references.
By the way, I've heard that America is going to start rating movies with scenes where people smoke a cigarette as "not suitable for children." I am not kidding.
Oh, that and the fact that a special subject called "Moral Education" is now required for all middle-school students. FYI: It will be taught by the same priests who were accused of child abuse and molestation.
Hmm, did I mention the "virginity pledge" that high-school students in Utah are required to take in some schools? "I pledge that I will only lose my virginity after marriage."
Regarding posts about drugs, we're free to openly discuss any subject that we wish to discuss, otherwise our freedom of speech will be infringed upon -- and that's no laughing matter in the US.
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