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awkward beginnings!!!

why do some producers like to annoy djs by putting a beat on the offbeat just before the track starts on the proper first beat?

this means you have to drop it on the seventh count and not the eighth.

it happens on system f - cry and i think its the same as the fear and loathing mix of vegas.

its really frustrating mixing it.

thats why you learn your tracks so its automatic when your playin out

cant say ive ever had an issue with it, i never begin my transition on the first beat of a track... I can usually pick up on when phrases begin pretty easily throughout a track aswell.

ifit was cdjs you could just set the cue to the first beat but with vinyl it gets frustrating when you dont no which beat it is as their so close.

It really isn't hard to hear which beat is the first. Just pay a bit more attention.

another pointless post from you although i shouldnt expect anything less.

anyway its near impossible as the two beats are so close together the only option is to go on the seventh count.

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Originally posted by dj_kane another pointless post from you although i shouldnt expect anything less. anyway its near impossible as the two beats are so close together the only option is to go on the seventh count.

What is so pointless about it? You can easily detect the correct beat, just listen to the damn thing. It really isn't all that hard.

And if you hit the wrong beat all you need to do is give it a little nudge and it's back on track again. I really don't see the reason for your hostility here.

theres no hostility on my part. the reason for the thread is what is the point in producers doing this, it really is a stupid thing to do as a producer.

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Originally posted by dj_kane theres no hostility on my part. the reason for the thread is what is the point in producers doing this, it really is a stupid thing to do as a producer.

Well I feel a track should work for both home listeners and DJ's, that's why I like it when intros have something else than the same old dull beat intro. Sometimes it means it's a bit trickier to mix but I haven't come across a track I can't mix yet.

Music has had pickup notes for a long time now. It isn't pointless for producers to use pickup notes. Learn some music theory.

meh.. feck the theory IMO.

When mixing tunes together, it is easier to know the first beat you run into is the beat at the beginning of the phrase.

Seeing as we're on a trance forum (music..) and in the DJ Booth, (mixing), i can see exactly where dj_kane is coming from.

However i know that i let a song play for a little bit before i'll rely solely on drop queueing it. (if that makes sense).

Anyway, i see both points. But don't like how the replies to the initial question were made. It's a simple comment. And i know loads of people would agree with it.

nelly

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Originally posted by n3lly meh.. feck the theory IMO.

May as well fuck the music too.

Whats wrong with you guys, the whole purpose of a DJ is to present music to people, we exist becuase of the producers, we mix "their" songs, not ours, we cater to them, not the other way around. its just stupid and pointless to complain about how a producers starts off his/her song, and its immature, especially if its coming from a DJ.

I have no idea what the original poster is talking about.

Convenience is all this post is about.

And that's why i agree. Yes it is more convenient when a song doesn't begin on an offbeat. I agree with that comment.

However, as i said, i usually just listen to the begin (knowing your music is another way of saying it, as mentioned above) and then i'll know that there is an off beat.

That is all..

by feck the theory i meant it doesn't matter why this beat is there. It's just there. Whether or not it has a purpose is beside the point, it's purely about the convenience of being able to use the very first beat as a phrase starter while mixing. Whether or not you agree with that is of course another thing.

nelly

i would stating a simple point which most of you dont know what im talking about. you read any top djs views on things like this and they will say a producer shouldn't make awkward starts that are unmixable. msot djs have to alter the start of tracks with software to make them more suitable for mixing. i produce also so when i begin a track i make it begin with mixing capibilities either by having a smalll intro then a good kick drum and bass or start with a simple 4*4 kick pattern.

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Originally posted by Zild Music has had pickup notes for a long time now. It isn't pointless for producers to use pickup notes. Learn some music theory.

Why not enjoy the challenge and let the producers push the envelope?

Seriously, I never heard anything like that before from top DJ's. The very fact that you found a way to mix it buy dropping it on the seventh beat makes it 'mixable'. I personally just say "and, one" and hold the record on the 'second' beat. As for convenience... what about it? Why should things be practical? That sounds like the death of ingenuity, and this case musicality. As long as its doable.

But perhaps there is something to this convenience thing. Yes, I shall send a decree across the spheres. From hence forth all Trance music shall be exactly 135BPM and in the key of C major (I like F but it not very convenient its got a flat), and absolutely no PICKUPS!

i think Johan gelien's over drive is has a weird start...i think dats what Kane is talking about...

Dont think I've ever come across this before but then it's not often I use the first beat as a cue point

something like "Majestic" from Menno de Jong or "Emotional Breeze" from Foreign Force where the song starts and you think you got the right beat but when the beat sets in, your in a totally different place.

God, i hate it when producers add a crazy loud reversed symbol and all kinds of other shiite, just before the first beat sets in. suckes when the stylus jumps a groove

Hell, there should be enough places in a track for your to start a mix. Don't always limit yourself to starting on the first beat. That's what everyone else does... try something different.

In time you will develop an internal clock anyway and this wont be an issue.

Cheers
Nem

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