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Russia is at it again

They are hurting georgia with blockades and suspension of travel, because of the whole spy incident.

Why does Russia continue to flex their muscles? I mean, they have a HUGE amount of influence in a lot of countries, I think it would be wiser to use it to promote a friendship, instead of a fear of cutting off oil (Ukraine), and blockades (Georgia)... It's really ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Temperate They are hurting georgia with blockades and suspension of travel, because of the whole spy incident. Why does Russia continue to flex their muscles? I mean, they have a HUGE amount of influence in a lot of countries, I think it would be wiser to use it to promote a friendship, instead of a fear of cutting off oil (Ukraine), and blockades (Georgia)... It's really ridiculous.

LMAO!!! Do you even have a slightest idea why they are doing it? You think they have nothing better to do? Reasons why they are doing it:

1) Russian officers were illegally seized, humiliated in public and arrested and accused of spying for Russia. However, after blowing up the entire media campaign to make Russia look bad, they decided not to charge the officers and handed them over to third party and eventually to Russia. Why would these officers spy in the first place when they who wore Russian military uniforms of Russia at all times. It would be easier to infiltrate with an ethnic Georgian into their military instead - they are millions of Goergians living in Russia right now.

2) There are nearly 10 million Georgians living in Russia right now. Many of them are illegally in the country, dont pay taxes, have the highest rates of crimes amongst any illegal group of people in Russia, and they send over 300 MILLION dollars every year to their oppressive regime, not paying taxes! Finally Russia decided to shut this down!

3) Several prominent Georgian criminal elements have been detained in Moscow owning illegal gambling lines, stores and sscamming people, ignoring the laws ...

4) Georgia has illegally cracked down on its opposition within the country recently, resulting IN MASS ARRESTS, blaming opposition for plans to overthrow the government (bullshit). Where is the democracy? Where is the evidence to back all these arrests?

5) Georgia has violated its peace treaty with Abkhazia from 1993 and INVADED a region of Upper Kodoria recently, which is party of Abkhazia. Illegal, while EU and Americans have been silent.

6) Georgian government was earlier in the year involved in a huge scandal involving a suspicious death called a suicide of a prominent party official who was not supportive of the government line.

7) Georgian government under Saakashvilli has promised the people reforms, tax cuts, higher income and more pensions, while doing noone of that.

8) Current leader of this dictatorship country has been trained, educated in USA, and he initially became the leader in 2004 by instigating a series of protests and overthrowing the government.

9) Georgia owes Russia millions of dollars in gas bills, airline fees, money lent and other business transactions.

Location: Hamilton, Ontario (formerly Sochi, Russia)

LMAO!!! <---

Putin is turning the government into a authoritarian one. He, and his hard liner friends would rather destroy a government completely than have them westernize (Ukraine). Everyone hates Yushchenko now... I wonder why? The orange revolution was useless.

I don't give a shit about what Georgia did. Russia has abosulety no right to cripple any country, economically. That is the UN's job. They did it without the consent of the UN or NATO.

Don't give me bullshit, ok?

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Originally posted by Temperate Location: Hamilton, Ontario (formerly Sochi, Russia) LMAO!!! <--- Putin is turning the government into a authoritarian one. He, and his hard liner friends would rather destroy a government completely than have them westernize (Ukraine). Everyone hates Yushchenko now... I wonder why? The orange revolution was useless. I don't give a shit about what Georgia did. Russia has abosulety no right to cripple any country, economically. That is the UN's job. They did it without the consent of the UN or NATO. Don't give me bullshit, ok?

So how do you suggest Russia treats Georgia? Should it just continue ignoring the Georgian violations over the years? The patience has grown thin. I lived in SOCHI, not far from Georgia, I've seen their bullshit. UN doesnt GIVE A FUCK. You know what EU and NATO said? This s an internal issue between Russia and Georgia. You need to do more research on this, buddy.

Plus EU, NATO and USA are not very supportive of Russia anyway. They'd rather have a war between Georgia and Russia so that they can claim a right to intervene in the conflict like they did in Yugoslavia.

Orange revolution was ant-Russian. Look at what it did, corruption, lies, stereotypes, economic hardship. So Russia decided to sell gas to them at market prices - and why shouldn't they - Ukraine is no longer an ally - they should then pay the normal price. Plus Ukraine is stealing a lot of Russian gas, its been documented. Austria voiced concerns that Ukraine is threatening its gas stability. I think thats fair deal with equal prices, its unfair that EU is paying way more than Ukraine which hates Russia and wants to join NATO even though 85 percent of the country is against that!!!

What is Russia earning with 80 bucks for gas? Ukraine hates them. EU is paying 220 bucks for gas. So the smart thing to do is charge the same, right?

Russia is not crippling Georgia. Georgia is breaking a lot of laws, so Russia is trying to BLOCK OFF the sources of this problem - the illegal immigrants, the mafia, the government institutions of Georgia.

LOL @ Putin turning authoritarian!!! Isnt it thats why he gave the regions of Russia SELF-GOVERNMENT??? ISNT IT WHY HE ALLOWED CHECHNYA is own president, parliament and they actually voted on referendum to stay within Russia!

He cracked down on corruptors like Berezovskiy and Yukos because they were money-launderers and wanted to overthrow the government. EVEN THE INTERPOL RECENTLY CALLED FOR ARREST OF BEREZOVSKIY!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Russia is not crippling Georgia. Georgia is breaking a lot of laws, so Russia is trying to BLOCK OFF the sources of this problem - the illegal immigrants, the mafia, the government institutions of Georgia. LOL @ Putin turning authoritarian!!! Isnt it thats why he gave the regions of Russia SELF-GOVERNMENT??? ISNT IT WHY HE ALLOWED CHECHNYA is own president, parliament and they actually voted on referendum to stay within Russia!

Illegal immigrants is the least of Russia's problem. They[Russia]has a huge mafia of it's own. Instead of taking responsiblity that their is an enormous presence of Russian mafia in Russia and the neighboring countries. Russia blames this "mafia" on foreigners. Bunch of fucking pussies these Russians. They just happen to be the new Nazi Germany for the twenty first century.

Hey Russia, I hate breaking this to you. NAZIS's SEE YOU AS SUB HUMANS. Another thing about Russian people.

And do you even know how PUTIN got to power? And that Chechnya president was put into power by Russia. That is why they blew him up.

All that wanting to stay with Russia is crap. Chechnians want their liberty. Yet, you slavic pigs don't understand that. You have a penis stuck in your brain or something?

I wouldn't blame the Chechnians. The Russian people are scum. It is why the Russian people are disliked around the world more than the American people.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So how do you suggest Russia treats Georgia? Should it just continue ignoring the Georgian violations over the years? The patience has grown thin. I lived in SOCHI, not far from Georgia, I've seen their bullshit. UN doesnt GIVE A FUCK. You know what EU and NATO said? This s an internal issue between Russia and Georgia. You need to do more research on this, buddy.

NATO actually has addressed this issue, it seems that they do "GIVE A FUCK".

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European Commission spokeswoman Emma Udwin echoed that sentiment saying that both sides had to avoid actions that could heighten tensions. And U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said that the NATO ministers had urged for calm in their meeting with Ivanov.

SOURCE

They have denounced the sanctions against georgia, saying it will increase the tension between the two. Tsk tsk.

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Orange revolution was ant-Russian. Look at what it did, corruption, lies, stereotypes, economic hardship. So Russia decided to sell gas to them at market prices - and why shouldn't they - Ukraine is no longer an ally - they should then pay the normal price. Plus Ukraine is stealing a lot of Russian gas, its been documented. Austria voiced concerns that Ukraine is threatening its gas stability. I think thats fair deal with equal prices, its unfair that EU is paying way more than Ukraine which hates Russia and wants to join NATO even though 85 percent of the country is against that!!!

Oh god

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Gazprom claims to have taken this action because Ukraine refuses to pay the market rate for natural gas which is approximately four times higher than the price previously agreed upon by the two.

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Russia breaking an agreement, fueled the non-payment. Go do some research

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LOL @ Putin turning authoritarian!!! Isnt it thats why he gave the regions of Russia SELF-GOVERNMENT??? ISNT IT WHY HE ALLOWED CHECHNYA is own president, parliament and they actually voted on referendum to stay within Russia!

Why wouldn't he, when he installs pro-russian, and anti-terrorist leaders like Kadyrov?

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He cracked down on corruptors like Berezovskiy and Yukos because they were money-launderers and wanted to overthrow the government. EVEN THE INTERPOL RECENTLY CALLED FOR ARREST OF BEREZOVSKIY!

America has already been through this. There was no need to NATIONALIZE the companies and DESTROY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SHAREHOLDERS MONEY, LIKE RUSSIA DID! Russia should have asked for some fucking pointers.

Putin believes there should be one gas company and one oil company that are in control of the majority of the market. Fucking twat.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Putin believes there should be one gas company and one oil company that are in control of the majority of the market. Fucking twat.

LUKoil did a smart thing by capitalizing in the US. It'll be really hard to nationalize them, now.

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Originally posted by Temperate LUKoil did a smart thing by capitalizing in the US. It'll be really hard to nationalize them, now.

Sad. Rosneft, has more oil than any other oil company in the world; and they are mostly run by the kremlin

Wow. Russia is acting like the U.S.of A.

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Originally posted by Temperate Location: Hamilton, Ontario (formerly Sochi, Russia) LMAO!!! <--- Putin is turning the government into a authoritarian one. He, and his hard liner friends would rather destroy a government completely than have them westernize (Ukraine). Everyone hates Yushchenko now... I wonder why? The orange revolution was useless. I don't give a shit about what Georgia did. Russia has abosulety no right to cripple any country, economically. That is the UN's job. They did it without the consent of the UN or NATO. Don't give me bullshit, ok?

HAHAHA!!! HI THERE MR. AMERICA!

IT IS YOUR COUNTRY that uses this economical pressure to manipulate other countries, like the embargoes on Iraq and Iran. At least Russia is not going as far as doing a complete economic blockade on Ukraine.

You better watch whats going on in your own backyard before you say statements like this. Whats Russia doing is NOTHING compared to the dirty little tricks by NATO, and USA in particular.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Sad. Rosneft, has more oil than any other oil company in the world; and they are mostly run by the kremlin

I am all for government owning gas and oil industry. So that it wont be the corporations profiting and influencing the agenda like whats going on in Iraq right now, but the government can use the money for the better good.

Corporations - profit is the bottom line. They could care less about an average citizen.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Illegal immigrants is the least of Russia's problem. They[Russia]has a huge mafia of it's own. Instead of taking responsiblity that their is an enormous presence of Russian mafia in Russia and the neighboring countries. Russia blames this "mafia" on foreigners. Bunch of fucking pussies these Russians. They just happen to be the new Nazi Germany for the twenty first century. Hey Russia, I hate breaking this to you. NAZIS's SEE YOU AS SUB HUMANS. Another thing about Russian people. And do you even know how PUTIN got to power? And that Chechnya president was put into power by Russia. That is why they blew him up. All that wanting to stay with Russia is crap. Chechnians want their liberty. Yet, you slavic pigs don't understand that. You have a penis stuck in your brain or something? I wouldn't blame the Chechnians. The Russian people are scum. It is why the Russian people are disliked around the world more than the American people.

HAHAHA, like in your country, be in USA or whatever - dont tell me you dont have independence movements. USA invaded Hawaii, for example, and have bitterly oppressed and converted their local population for over 100 years now. Or what about the murder of millions of native Indians?

Americans ARE WAY MORE HATED around the world, thats why many Americans wear Canadian flags when travelling around the world - thats the truth! Stop lying, all Arabs hate Americans, Russians and Europeans dont like you, even Africans ... you are just lying and think everyone around the world loves how America is bossing everyone around and invading countries for oil and shit ...

you are an ignorant and dumb shit, you know that? you have no respect for other nationalities and I bet you are a fucking racist too. bitch.

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Originally posted by Temperate NATO actually has addressed this issue, it seems that they do "GIVE A FUCK". SOURCE They have denounced the sanctions against georgia, saying it will increase the tension between the two. Tsk tsk. Oh god SOURCE Russia breaking an agreement, fueled the non-payment. Go do some research Why wouldn't he, when he installs pro-russian, and anti-terrorist leaders like Kadyrov? America has already been through this. There was no need to NATIONALIZE the companies and DESTROY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SHAREHOLDERS MONEY, LIKE RUSSIA DID! Russia should have asked for some fucking pointers.

I am not interested in Ukraine vs. Gasprom shit, thats a different story and perhaps its a bit unfair - BUT, its only OIL WAR, Russia is not placing travel/economic embargos or whatever.

USA and pretty much all countriee have been overthrowing and installing their own puppets for ages, when thy get powerful. Anything new here?

As for SOURCE you forgot the fine print at the bottom:

"Critics of the current Russian government have argued that Gazprom's action has been an attempt to punish Ukraine for forging closer links with the West following the Orange Revolution. Putin's advocates, however, have argued that the status quo is akin to a budgetary transfer between the two governments and costs Russia about US$4.5 billion per year. Special european commission has already counted gas independently,and confirmed its loss. But Ukraine disagrees,saing,that it is unjust."

So you think that its OK that Ukraine is ripping Russia off? Yeah, sure, Ukraiine can break all kinds of laws and Georgia can do as well, but when Russia responds OH NO, THEY'RE EVIL ....

Yeah, NATO "denounced" sanctions that Russia did on harmful to itself elements. BUT DID IT DENOUNCE WHAT GEORGIA DID? HOW ABOUT APOLOGIZING FOR ILLEGALLY SEIZING MILITARY OFFICERS, INVADIING COODORIA, AND BREAKING ECONOMIC TREATIES WITH RUSSIA?

I guess Georgia is immune from punishment, they can screw Russia all they want, and when its their turn to respond, NATO says they're bullies. Doouble standards!!!

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Originally posted by Temperate They are hurting georgia with blockades and suspension of travel, because of the whole spy incident. Why does Russia continue to flex their muscles? I mean, they have a HUGE amount of influence in a lot of countries, I think it would be wiser to use it to promote a friendship, instead of a fear of cutting off oil (Ukraine), and blockades (Georgia)... It's really ridiculous.

3 YEARS AGO, Georgian police BEAT UP and took away Russian peacekeepers equipment in Abkhazia. Russia didnt respond.

Last year Georgian militiamen attacked a Russian convoy, killing 2 peacekeepers. Russia didnt respond.

Earlier in the year, Georgia seized several Russian observers in Southen Ossetia, and again Russia didnt taken any action, only protesting.

NOW, RUSSIA DECIDED THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT. ITS TIME TO STOP THIS BEFORE THINGS REALLY GET OUT OF HAND.

You guys are only watching the recent month's devellopments. If you look further back, you'll be surprised how patient Russia has bbeen all these years of Georgian bullshit.

Georgian politicians do not even watch their language when making public statements about Russia. The State Minister for Conflict Regulation, Mr. Khaindrava, has recently said that �Russia would carry responsibility together with other fascists organizing bacchanalias on other countries� territories.�



Every country should take strong action to PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, and thats what Russia is doing, not sitting around while Georgia ILLEGALLY seized the officers and never charged them with anything, only using them for its own propaganda. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AGAIN. IF THIS GOES UNPUNISHED, GEORGIA WILL DO THIS AGAIN!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060928/ts_afp/georgiarussiapolitics_060928113919

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Originally posted by Magnetonium HAHAHA, like in your country, be in USA or whatever - dont tell me you dont have independence movements. USA invaded Hawaii, for example, and have bitterly oppressed and converted their local population for over 100 years now. Or what about the murder of millions of native Indians? Americans ARE WAY MORE HATED around the world, thats why many Americans wear Canadian flags when travelling around the world - thats the truth! Stop lying, all Arabs hate Americans, Russians and Europeans dont like you, even Africans ... you are just lying and think everyone around the world loves how America is bossing everyone around and invading countries for oil and shit ... you are an ignorant and dumb shit, you know that? you have no respect for other nationalities and I bet you are a fucking racist too. bitch.

No, Im not lying. A study was done long ago by a European magazine asking which country was more liked by europeans. They had a more preferable opinion on Americans than Russians. And look at all the murders that Russians do on blacks or brown people. Yeah, Im sure Africans really love Russians now. Since any black person is likly going to get beaten up in russia or insulted for the color of his skin.

Fuck you. You see, you are typical Russian. IGNORANT. Im magnetonium, "Im not racist but I don't like black ppl or asians or brown people or anybody of a different religion".

Ok that was bad impression, but it was close to the spot of representing how ignorant the average russian is. EVEN if he is living in a different country. One where their actually is FREE MEDIA.

How can I be racist? Im mexican and I respect everybody. Not like Russians who only like other white people. You guys are much more racist than the Nazis Germans were.

And about that native pop whiping out. What about the TATARS? You Russians took ALL THIER land. and it was more than the size of the USA.

Magnetonium, Im sorry that you are so ignorant about your own country and that you don't understand the way Russian gov is or how the people just happen to be racist.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Mag on another note. Why do Russians believe their say in foreign policy means anything? They don't have a good GNP. Their ppl are poor and there are more abortions than births. The average Russian women will have TEN abortions in her lifetime. Many russians ABUSE liquer. the average russian drinks over 16liters of liquer alone. Also, in one yr(2005) the murder rate doubled. Ppl killled by guns was 5k than in one yr it became 10000!

Russians are scum. Their happens to be more poverty stricken countries around the world who don't behave the way russians do.

I SPIT ON YOU RUSSIAN PEOPLE.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid No, Im not lying. A study was done long ago by a European magazine asking which country was more liked by europeans. They had a more preferable opinion on Americans than Russians. And look at all the murders that Russians do on blacks or brown people. Yeah, Im sure Africans really love Russians now. Since any black person is likly going to get beaten up in russia or insulted for the color of his skin. Fuck you. You see, you are typical Russian. IGNORANT. Im magnetonium, "Im not racist but I don't like black ppl or asians or brown people or anybody of a different religion". Ok that was bad impression, but it was close to the spot of representing how ignorant the average russian is. EVEN if he is living in a different country. One where their actually is FREE MEDIA. How can I be racist? Im mexican and I respect everybody. Not like Russians who only like other white people. You guys are much more racist than the Nazis Germans were. And about that native pop whiping out. What about the TATARS? You Russians took ALL THIER land. and it was more than the size of the USA. Magnetonium, Im sorry that you are so ignorant about your own country and that you don't understand the way Russian gov is or how the people just happen to be racist.

You cocksucking neo-nazi asshole. I actually FOUGHT ignorant neo-nazis and racists like you when I was in Russia. Yes, racists are everywhere, and in Russia there might be a bit of a problem in this sense - but Europe had their own pogroms before and in large. You dont know me. So dont make up shit about me, please, and keep it to yourself.

I am adding you on my ignore list, I dont talk to neo-nazi ignorant racist assholes like you who dont respect nationalities and other cultures.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You cocksucking neo-nazi asshole. I actually FOUGHT ignorant neo-nazis and racists like you when I was in Russia. Yes, racists are everywhere, and in Russia there might be a bit of a problem in this sense - but Europe had their own pogroms before and in large. You dont know me. So dont make up shit about me, please, and keep it to yourself. I am adding you on my ignore list, I dont talk to neo-nazi ignorant racist assholes like you who dont respect nationalities and other cultures.

I do respect culture. Russian ppl don't. YOU DIDNT EVEN READ WHAT I WROTE!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium HAHAHA, like in your country, be in USA or whatever - dont tell me you dont have independence movements. USA invaded Hawaii, for example, and have bitterly oppressed and converted their local population for over 100 years now. Or what about the murder of millions of native Indians? Americans ARE WAY MORE HATED around the world, thats why many Americans wear Canadian flags when travelling around the world - thats the truth! Stop lying, all Arabs hate Americans, Russians and Europeans dont like you, even Africans ... you are just lying and think everyone around the world loves how America is bossing everyone around and invading countries for oil and shit ... you are an ignorant and dumb shit, you know that? you have no respect for other nationalities and I bet you are a fucking racist too. bitch.

This, however, does not apply to everyone, not to all Americans. I respect the people, I hate the government.
There are some nice American TAs ono the forums too, minus this gearsolid prick.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium This, however, does not apply to everyone, not to all Americans. I respect the people, I hate the government. There are some nice American TAs ono the forums too, minus this gearsolid prick.

Im the prick?! If Im the prick than you are the pussy. And I have claimed you as a trophy.

You DONT READ YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOU DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I do respect culture. Russian ppl don't. YOU DIDNT EVEN READ WHAT I WROTE!

You SPIT on Russian people. I dont spit on American people.

Oh, so you are spitting on all Russians then cause we're all together: Tatars, Chechens, Chivashs, Kalmiks, Krelians, Tutus, Kazakhs, Yakuts, etc. etc.

we all all together. we spit on YOU. I have lived together neighbours with Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Arabs. Quite peacefully.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, it wasnt so long ago when in USA there was segregation. WE NEVER had that. In fact, for as long as I can remember, Russian women were always treated equally too. Was there ever an American female president?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I do respect culture. Russian ppl don't. YOU DIDNT EVEN READ WHAT I WROTE!

Yeah, American government respects culture. Is that why natives live on special native reserves??? In Russia, these cultures HAVE THEIR OWN republics, their language in those regiions is equal to the official language, they have their own parliament, laws, economy, history, culture and monuments. What about YOUR country?

Open your eyes and go see how many native Americans commit suicide every year, how many of them participate in gambling sponsored by governnment on their own lands, how little the governnment cares about them, how even today many natives are FORBIDDEN to practise some of their rituals (and I am not taking about human sacrifice ones)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium You SPIT on Russian people. I dont spit on American people. Oh, so you are spitting on all Russians then cause we're all together: Tatars, Chechens, Chivashs, Kalmiks, Krelians, Tutus, Kazakhs, Yakuts, etc. etc. we all all together. we spit on YOU. I have lived together neighbours with Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Arabs. Quite peacefully. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, it wasnt so long ago when in USA there was segregation. WE NEVER had that. In fact, for as long as I can remember, Russian women were always treated equally too. Was there ever an American female president?

Was there every a Russian premier or a president? Mayber there were Tsarinas but that was different.

And another thing I would love to vote for a female president. Sex has nothing to do with leadership. My mayor is a female and she is good. I was spitting on WHITE russians. Because they pick on everybody else. NOT all White Ruskies. But many do.

And yeah my family wasn't here for that type of segregation. And trust me tha USA will be a better place when those who were alive than die out.

Does your classes teach about other cultures' values in your area? Like the Navajo Indians. You probably dont even know what state(s) they live in!!!

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