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North Korea did Nuclear tests 10.8.06
Literally 6 minutes ago..
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| SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- South Korean government officials said North Korea performed its first nuclear weapons test Monday, the South's Yonhap news agency reported North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported the country has performed a successful nuclear test. According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site. South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the Yonhap report. South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun convened an urgent meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported. The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion. |
good.
why good?
it makes things much clearer and finite on the issue of negotiations.
in addition
if it was successful like they say, we can cross off certain intel anomallies that we had prior to the test that either mitigated our theories or substantiated them. plus all the intel that we gleaned from watching them prep for one.
so every mushroom cloud has a silver lining? 
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so every mushroom cloud has a silver lining? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo it makes things much clearer and finite on the issue of negotiations. in addition |
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| Oct. 16, 2006 issue - On Sept. 19, 2005, North Korea signed a widely heralded denuclearization agreement with the United States, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea. Pyongyang pledged to "abandon all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs." In return, Washington agreed that the United States and North Korea would "respect each other's sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations." Four days later, the U.S. Treasury Department imposed sweeping financial sanctions against North Korea designed to cut off the country's access to the international banking system, branding it a "criminal state" guilty of counterfeiting, money laundering and trafficking in weapons of mass destruction. The Bush administration says that this sequence of events was a coincidence. Whatever the truth, I found on a recent trip to Pyongyang that North Korean leaders view the financial sanctions as the cutting edge of a calculated effort by dominant elements in the administration to undercut the Sept. 19 accord, squeeze the Kim Jong Il regime and eventually force its collapse. My conversations made clear that North Korea's missile tests in July and its threat last week to conduct a nuclear test explosion at an unspecified date "in the future" were directly provoked by the U.S. sanctions. In North Korean eyes, pressure must be met with pressure to maintain national honor and, hopefully, to jump-start new bilateral negotiations with Washington that could ease the financial squeeze. When I warned against a nuclear test, saying that it would only strengthen opponents of negotiations in Washington, several top officials replied that "soft" tactics had not worked and they had nothing to lose. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175633/site/newsweek/ |
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| if it was successful like they say, we can cross off certain intel anomallies that we had prior to the test that either mitigated our theories or substantiated them. plus all the intel that we gleaned from watching them prep for one. |
Yea I really don't see how this can be a "good" thing in any respect of the imagination, particularly for this administration or for our country for that matter. For one, we're chasing imaginary wmds in Iraq that our own intelligence services were expressing serious doubts as to their existence, while there were no doubts among our intelligence services that N. Korea had WMDS (and frankly N. Korea freely admitted to possessing them). What we have now is a meglomaniac dictator who has demonstrated his willingness for worldwide provacation by testing and publicizing a nuclear weapons test. It seems we have no idea how far he is willing to go, and our armed forces are stretched to the point that it is unlikely that we can mount an effective military response to this provocation. I suppose we could call up the boyscouts to tackle this threat. I think they're the last untapped division on this war on terror.
this probably explains why a chunk of hair just fell of my head.
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Yes, our Bush/Bolton tag-team negotiations really is a site to behold for the rest of the world. Why, everyone wants to be like us: Love those Bushy coinkidinks, don't you? Seems like the only way this Administration works when it comes to its intel abilities - post facto style. Invade Iraq to see if they have WMDs. Oops, don't have 'em, but at least we found out AFTER we invaded! Nutbag N. Korea tests nukes, and hey sure enough we NOW know they have 'em. Terrific logic always on display by this Administration. |
Time for negotiations is now over. Kim Jong IL should be disposed of. NK is more of a threat than Iraq ever was, and action should be taken to remove it's leadership.
Shouldn't be that hard with the military hardware available.
Korea is ill driven, but not irresponsible, i would be more affraid if Iran tested a nuke.
Iran would be scarir yes but i still thin that there isnt much to wory about. Whatever you might thing of north koreans they arent that supid, they know that if they lunch a nuke first, without provocation the whole damn country is going to get leveled and not just by the US but probably by every other country including those that dont even like america. Petty political disagreements dont really matter when a nuce goes of.
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| Originally posted by Moongoose Iran would be scarir yes but i still thin that there isnt much to wory about. Whatever you might thing of north koreans they arent that supid, they know that if they lunch a nuke first, without provocation the whole damn country is going to get leveled and not just by the US but probably by every other country including those that dont even like america. Petty political disagreements dont really matter when a nuce goes of. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Love those Bushy coinkidinks, don't you? |
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| Originally posted by skot_e Time for negotiations is now over. Kim Jong IL should be disposed of. NK is more of a threat than Iraq ever was, and action should be taken to remove it's leadership. Shouldn't be that hard with the military hardware available. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Shibby Why? Why can't they have nuclear weapons? I can think of much, much more dangerous countries with much more wicked leaders who, if "disposed of", would make a much more profound positive impact on the planet. We're not going to do anything about this, and I hope that it doesn't create a scapegoat that will enable the completion of the lockdown of America. |
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| Originally posted by DJ Shibby If a mushroom cloud ever blows over this country, I would be very suspicious if it hit anywhere but Washington DC... We're not going to do anything about this, and I hope that it doesn't create a scapegoat that will enable the completion of the lockdown of America. |
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The implications of Pyongyang's new nuclear prowess extend beyond Northeast Asia. Iran's ruling Mullahs are no doubt watching carefully, and may well be heartened by the relative lack of leverage the world seems to have to thwart the North's nuclear ambitions. As one former Defense Department official in Washington puts it, "If the world can't summon the will to apply crippling sanctions against an economic basket case like North Korea, what will it do when it comes to the world's third-largest oil exporter?" If the answer is as it appears�not much�then Oct. 9 may well mark the crossing of a nuclear Rubicon of sorts. In Congressional testimony last year, Jon Brook Wolfsthal, deputy director for Nonproliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for Peace , said "History may well look back at our failed efforts with North Korea as the turning point when the nuclear dam burst and nuclear weapons became widespread and commonplace in the arsenals of scores of countries." Beyond the many voices raised in opposition to the North's test, the world now waits to see whether anyone will actually do anything about it�or whether Wolfsthal's grim prognosis is, in fact, the future. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I fail to see how pointing out the U.S. administration is going to make any of us sleep any tighter tonight. I know you like beating the anti-Bush drum but stop the banging for a second and take a look at the over-all picture; it affects us all and not in a good way... This is scary as hell and I can only image everyone's intelligence agencies are groaning in unison after this news.... |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I apologize if pointing out the rationale as to why we got here makes one uncomfortable, nevertheless I think it's rather important. I find your sentiments somewhat akin to folks like myself pointing out how ignorant this Administration was to all the counterevidence against its claims to Iraq's WMD capabilities and stockpiles, only to say, "Hey, that doesn't matter now, it's all in the past and we need to worry about our problems today." Perhaps a perspective on those "diplomats" (i.e. dipshit dipshit cowboys who have no diplomatic skills whatsoever) is needed so us ignorant citizens can understand a bit better as to whom we voted into power and why we're collectively going off a fucking cliff. While I agree that worrying about the "what now" easily supercedes the "how the fuck did we get here?", I believe such problems cannot be forgotten. Disclaimer: This doesn't excuse Clinton's mistakes either. He was being misled into thinking N. Korea was being honest with their treaty. But when such an opportunity presents itself like it did in 2005 and our country, the bastion of democracy, liberty, truth and justice turns around and collectively fucks N. Korea in the ass the way they did, I think that puts a bit of a different perspective on things. |
The continuing American expansion and pressure around the world will only escalate the situation. The coountries without strategic weapons or lacking in defense against a possible American attack will continue looking for ways to defend themselves, either you like it or not. And after what happened to Iraq and Afghanistan, not a single dictator around the world who is in trouble with US can sleep comfortably now.
Last time I checked USA was the only country that actually used these terrible weapons, against innocent civilians too. So there you go.
And why does USA and others are continually allowed to develop and use weapons of mass destruction while these growing countries can't? Shouldn't we all be fair and just get rid of all weapons of mass destruction? Why is USA, Russia and other countries are so special and are allowed to keep and develop these deadly chemical and biological weapons?
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Yes, our Bush/Bolton tag-team negotiations really is a site to behold for the rest of the world. Why, everyone wants to be like us: Love those Bushy coinkidinks, don't you? Seems like the only way this Administration works when it comes to its intel abilities - post facto style. Invade Iraq to see if they have WMDs. Oops, don't have 'em, but at least we found out AFTER we invaded! Nutbag N. Korea tests nukes, and hey sure enough we NOW know they have 'em. Terrific logic always on display by this Administration. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Last time I checked USA was the only country that actually used these terrible weapons, against innocent civilians too. So there you go. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r That's a pretty ignorant thing to say considering the circumstances in which they were used. |
this is a good thing. now we can sit down and talk and really get a peaceful process going on. Like Pakistan and India did.
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