supersaw vs. hypersaw? Or just go w/software?

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Posted by jammer42777 on Oct-09-2006 05:33:

supersaw vs. hypersaw? Or just go w/software?

hello, this may seem a little absurd, but...
how much overlap (reguarding saw sounds)
is there between the Virus TI and the Roland SH201?
or would I still need the SH201 after getting the Virus TI?

Bear in mind I won't own either of these for a good long while, right now I'm getting by w/software.

Or for that matter, is it better in terms of what the uninformed listener hears to just go for computer software as opposed to an Analog modelling synth?

thanks
--Joshua

Posted by No Left Turn on Oct-09-2006 09:25:

In my opinion, if you have a Virus TI and don't own a JP-80x0 or the new SH-201... you're not gonna be missing out on anything. For the most part, the TI can do everything the JP/201 can. There's a lot of people like me who have a JP-80x0 and won't be able to tear away from it even if they acquire the TI.

The only recommendation I have for choosing software over hardware is the ease of use. Generally speaking, using plug-ins (softsynths, primarily) are just easier to use than their hardware counterparts. And with demo installs available, there's a nice try before you buy option instead of dishing out $1000 for a piece of kit you might not like.

Posted by DeZmA on Oct-09-2006 11:18:

quote:
Originally posted by No Left Turn
The only recommendation I have for choosing software over hardware is the ease of use. Generally speaking, using plug-ins (softsynths, primarily) are just easier to use than their hardware counterparts. And with demo installs available, there's a nice try before you buy option instead of dishing out $1000 for a piece of kit you might not like.

Since they can both be controlled trough software this isn't a valid point.

Posted by jammer42777 on Oct-09-2006 14:53:

I was wondering more about sound,
If I have a TI would I still miss the Roland "supersaw?"
or sonically speaking, is analog modelling still a better choice than software?
in any case
thanks!
--Joshua

Posted by KilldaDJ on Oct-09-2006 15:07:

what exactly is a hypersaw?

does it beat the ubersaw?

i got the superior h4xsaw!!1

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-09-2006 16:25:

I'd say this bro... - just keep on producing, don't bother yourself with these kind of questions now cause you said it your self, your not going to buy one soon.

From my point of view though -
I got a JP like 3 weeks ago. it's true that it's easier to control software (never tried the TI so I dunno how the Total Integration works). It might be only me though but I can't shake the feeling of touching the metal itself. there's a lot of difference yet a lot of similerity (if I spelled it right) between soft and hard.
In terms of SuperSaw sound, if I'm not mistaken you can produce it with the Virus TI also, maybe it won't be as fast as the JP (basicly fiddling with 2 knobs and a button) but it can be done I believe. what I suggest is that you go play with them before you buy any (when that happends) or listen to some sound demos/tell the seller to show you the capabilites of that synth.
About the SH-201, never heard of it, maybe you can tell me a bit about it and the relation it got to the SuperSaw?

That is what I got to say, please do correct me if I'm wrong.

Good luck,
Barak.

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-09-2006 17:39:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
the sh201 got the same oscs as jp8000 and the supersaw so it is teh same sound as far as i read about it in some mag. looks pretty fun to use too.

JP was brought alive? :P

Posted by Chronosis on Oct-09-2006 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
the sh201 got the same oscs as jp8000 and the supersaw so it is teh same sound as far as i read about it in some mag.

I've read the filter is not the same, and doesn't sound as good.

Posted by No Left Turn on Oct-09-2006 20:05:

quote:
Originally posted by DeZmA
Since they can both be controlled trough software this isn't a valid point.

True. But to be honest, I wouldn't recommend using the usb/vst feature of the TI to anyone. If you have it and it works for you, consider yourself lucky. I have a Virus B at home and when I was using a TI at my buddy's place, the VSTcontrol drove me up the wall. I've also heard from numerous other people that it's one of the worst pieces of software.

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-09-2006 21:45:

quote:
Originally posted by No Left Turn
True. But to be honest, I wouldn't recommend using the usb/vst feature of the TI to anyone. If you have it and it works for you, consider yourself lucky. I have a Virus B at home and when I was using a TI at my buddy's place, the VSTcontrol drove me up the wall. I've also heard from numerous other people that it's one of the worst pieces of software.

The Total Integration idea is great and all, but it's just a new step in tech. it's basicly a bit like SX3, it had some great new features with lots to offer, but with all the new stuff it was defently packed up with large ammount of bugs. large schools all over my country gave it bad reviews cause of the high cpu usage and never ending software bugs.
Anyhow, what I'm trying to say is that it's great, but just give it time. at first it was one of the worst things, but they are working lots on of software updates as far as I know. so just give it some time and you'll see how smooth it will run. and when it does, it will defently be a great tool.

Posted by No Left Turn on Oct-09-2006 21:53:

I totally agree with you. It's one of the most genius ideas ever, and I'm sure that in due time it will be what it was meant to be. It's better to just ignore the whole VST software aspect of the TI and just love it for the synth that it actually is.

Posted by alanzo on Oct-09-2006 23:00:

quote:
Originally posted by KilldaDJ
what exactly is a hypersaw?

does it beat the ubersaw?

i got the superior h4xsaw!!1

This new hardware coming out has the pwn3dsaw... totally kicks the h4xsaw's ass!

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-10-2006 01:08:

quote:
Originally posted by No Left Turn
I totally agree with you. It's one of the most genius ideas ever, and I'm sure that in due time it will be what it was meant to be. It's better to just ignore the whole VST software aspect of the TI and just love it for the synth that it actually is.

exectly! the TI for itself stands as one hell of a synth. I'd get one but in time...the VSTi part is a bonus bro, even without it you can do the same stuff, with it is prolly easier but to that part you'll get soon once they fix most of the bugs. in the mean while you can just think to yourself - "damn, I got a TI infront of me" hehehe. =)

Posted by DigiNut on Oct-10-2006 03:51:

I say you go for the compuglobalhypermegasaw.

That, and don't buy an incredibly expensive piece of hardware to create one sound.

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-10-2006 08:48:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
I say you go for the compuglobalhypermegasaw.

That, and don't buy an incredibly expensive piece of hardware to create one sound.

took me a while to say that...lol
but I've thought of something, ever heard off Moog? if you like pluckish and hard saw sounds it's defently the tool for you!

Posted by DJ Shibby on Oct-10-2006 15:31:

quote:
Originally posted by No Left Turn
In my opinion, if you have a Virus TI and don't own a JP-80x0 or the new SH-201... you're not gonna be missing out on anything. For the most part, the TI can do everything the JP/201 can. There's a lot of people like me who have a JP-80x0 and won't be able to tear away from it even if they acquire the TI.

The only recommendation I have for choosing software over hardware is the ease of use. Generally speaking, using plug-ins (softsynths, primarily) are just easier to use than their hardware counterparts. And with demo installs available, there's a nice try before you buy option instead of dishing out $1000 for a piece of kit you might not like.

EH...

The virus waveforms sound a bit darker in my opinion, and the JP80x0 is more lofty and bright.

Posted by Derivative on Oct-10-2006 16:43:

The raw Virus waveforms are really weak. No point beating around the bush.

Get the impOSCar demo if you don't already own it and check out how much more powerful the oscillators are. impOSCar's square wave is powerful as fuck.

Posted by 3rd Signal on Oct-10-2006 16:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
The raw Virus waveforms are really weak. No point beating around the bush.

Get the impOSCar demo if you don't already own it and check out how much more powerful the oscillators are. impOSCar's square wave is powerful as fuck.

Dunno bro, I like messing around with the Virus Waveforms in Absynth. the waveforms are great imo.

Posted by jammer42777 on Oct-10-2006 17:17:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
I say you go for the compuglobalhypermegasaw.

That, and don't buy an incredibly expensive piece of hardware to create one sound.

not at all, if I were just about the saw sound I would get the roland,
BUT I pretty much want to get ONE hardware based subtractive synth. (unless its a moog) and I didn't want to have to plunk down $$ for the TI then feel that the TI saw was lacking and feel obligated to get a Roland on top of that.

But I very much appreciate the advice.
Also where can I hear your stuff?