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Roman Abramovich caught with another women.........

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Chelsea Owner Abramovich Dating Russian Beauty, Daughter of Arms Baron � Paper Created: 09.10.2006 13:44 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:57 MSK, 10 hours 49 minutes ago MosNews Roman Abramovich, billionaire owner of Chelsea FC, has been enjoying a close friendship with a beautiful socialite 16 years his junior, it was claimed Sunday. Former model Daria Zhukova, a fellow Russian, has accompanied him to matches and is said to have been spotted with him in locations across the world, the Daily Mail reports. The married tycoon tried to prevent a Sunday newspaper from revealing the friendship by seeking a High Court injunction late on Saturday night, but the judge dismissed his application. Abramovich, the world�s 11th-richest man with a fortune of 11billion pounds, is married to Irina, the blonde mother of his five children. He and she are both 39. Miss Zhukova, 23, is the daughter of a Russian businessman who was once engulfed in an arms smuggling scandal and held in prison for six months. Playboy Alexander Zhukov was alleged to have been a key player in a Russian mafia group which supplied arms to Croatian warlords in the Bosnian conflict. But the 52-year-old, who has British citizenship, was released after being found not guilty. Abramovich apparently invited both father and daughter to a New Year party that he threw in France. According to the News of the World, his friendship with Miss Zhukova began the following month. The paper claimed that Abramovich and Miss Zhukova, known as Dasha to her friends, met in February in Barcelona for a Champions League match which Chelsea lost 2-1. It said that following the match, she was whisked into a people carrier by his bodyguards while he followed a few steps behind. The party were then taken to the city�s Hilton Hotel for a short time before the tycoon flew back to London. Since then, Miss Zhukova is said to have met him on a string of other occasions in several locations across the world. She was seen attending Chelsea home games with him as long ago as April. Abramovich married Irina in 1991 after parting from his first wife. At the time, he had yet to make his fortune and Irina had the more successful job as a stewardess for the Russian airline Aeroflot.

Blonde women is his wife

Well I have to say is that Russian women are pretty damn hot. too bad this SOB is unfaithful. Why is it that men are never faithful. They are always the ones responsible for cheating or at least most of the times. I read a statistic that said 90% of all married men , in the US,cheat on their wifes. That is ridiculous. I would like to know what that % is in the US for women.

But in any case; it is wrong to cheat on someone you are suppose to love.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Well I have to say is that Russian women are pretty damn hot. too bad this SOB is unfaithful. Why is it that men are never faithful. They are always the ones responsible for cheating or at least most of the times. I read a statistic that said 90% of all married men , in the US,cheat on their wifes. That is ridiculous. I would like to know what that % is in the US for women. But in any case; it is wrong to cheat on someone you are suppose to love.

Its in our genes to cheat and many men cant keep their dick in pants ...

Think of it. Most of us men are here today because our ancestors managed to fuck more women than non-cheating men (these "good" men didnt reproduce as much, and are a small force). And their cheating psyche and thinking is passed on in genes, pretty simple IMO.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Its in our genes to cheat and many men cant keep their dick in pants ... Think of it. Most of us men are here today because our ancestors managed to fuck more women than non-cheating men (these "good" men didnt reproduce as much, and are a small force). And their cheating psyche and thinking is passed on in genes, pretty simple IMO.

What a load of crap. I would have to say it's society. Come on I don't always think of fucking every women just because its in my "nature" to cheat. That isn't true.

We have changed from what we use to be.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid What a load of crap. I would have to say it's society. Come on I don't always think of fucking every women just because its in my "nature" to cheat. That isn't true. We have changed from what we use to be.

That was results of a very good study. HEY, animals cheat too! Most birds have been found to have at least 30 percent of eggs thanks to sex on the side! Its natural, its happening all over nature. I saw a full documentary on Discovery channel couple years ago.

In it there was a spotlight on one man, who had a perfect job, a perfect wife and good family, and not short of sex or anything like that. At work he caught his eye on a sexy co-worker, and started a sexual relationship that nearly lost him his wife and family. Luckily for his he dumped the cheating lifestyle, got his head together and got his life back. Its a long story, but it all makes sense.

Cheating is a way to best reproduce yourself, to spread your genes ... a fight for survival. The more women you impregnate, the better your genes spread. And so does your characteristics ... its simple.

Sperm Wars by Robin Baker

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Synopsis Robin Baker puts forward the thesis that evolution has programmed men to conquer and monopolise women while women, without even knowing they are doing it, seek the best genetic input on offer from potential sexual partners. Facts of life presented include: 10 per cent of children are not fathered by their "fathers", less than 1 per cent off a man's sperm is capable of fertilizing anything - the rest is there to fight off other men's sperm, "smart" vaginal mucus encourages some sperm but blocks others, and a woman is far more likely to conceive through a casual fling than through sex with her regular partner. Baker describes fictionalized scences and then explains the science behind the actions to demonstrate how our everyday behaviour fits into a pattern of evolution.

I have to agree with MGS. We're more than just animals and have the ability to control our sexual/other urges/desires. Ofcourse, modren culture/social setup makes it really hard to do that. It's the blatant sexual objectification of women in virtually all forms of media/entertainment that's largely the cause for this, which is another example of easy sell/money and male dominance/lack of respect for women. Although, most young women do enjoy the attention (yet at the same time complain about being viewed as "meat" by men) and are conditioned by womens magazines, fasion, the media, and society etc to confrom to these standards of exposing a whole lot to attract attention. What kind of attention do they expect to attract from the vast majoirty of men (not all), given these social dynamics? Most of them evaluate their self worth (primarily, and in many cases, almost entirely) based on their sexual appeal, wheather conciously or subconciously. It's a social construct of a "liberal"/"sexually liberated" society. And business (in the relevant industires ofcourse) makes tons of money manipulating women, making them feel worthless if they don't look a certain way, and encouraging this sort of thinking. Advertisment extensively uses female sexuality to sell products.

Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: Ofcourse, societies that don't fit this model we label as "repressed," like it's such a negative thing for people to not cheat, have stable families/marriages/relationships, and the emotional stability/security/grounding it provides kids living/growing up with both parents under one roof (even the parents themselves).

EDIT2: Although I'm not trying to discredit theories/studies explaining why this is the case (i.e. men cheating alot, seeking sexual conquest etc), especially form an evolutionary point of view. But at the same time I believe human beings are capable of not reducing (ceratin aspects) of their behaviour/life style to primitive animalistic functions.

EDIT3: Promiscuity/premarital sex has alot to do with this in my opinion. It's kind of hard to expect people, espeically men, to completely abandon a behaviour pattern (that they are quite fond of) after 30 years of so or their entire life experience and completely turning around once they're married (i.e. have a single sex partner). I'm sorry, but I don't think it's practical or a realistic expectation.

EDIT4: I guess I should mention that I find using such studies as rationilzations for cheating quite pathetic.

EDIT5: Don't worry, I generally don't voice my opinion on this subject, since most people would think you're a freak, and don't like the implications of it. But the topic was brought up, so I'm expecting a (fairly) negative response.

That's alot of edits, but I guess necessary to explain what I meant .

Alright. I;d like to add for my points that its pretty lame for men to blame women for seducing them and then they had sex and etc. Its their own fault for not being able to exercise control over themselves.

No need to blame the media, the media doesnt tell you or give you and justification to go on and ruin people's lives. Media/TV makes it bucks doing all kinds of ludicrous and dumb things, but it doesnt mean that, for example, if you buy a Vice City game or whatever, that you can go around and shoot people. Use your head, and whats better, get rid of that fucking TV. I haven't watched television in over a year, I feel so much smarter - there are so many other more useful things to do with life. Its a drug, it degrades your thinking, your memory ... just think of the hours of time wasted glued to that screen ... the damage done to your thinking by just sitting there and getting retarded ... damaged to the vision, etc.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Alright. I;d like to add for my points that its pretty lame for men to blame women for seducing them and then they had sex and etc. Its their own fault for not being able to exercise control over themselves.

I'm not blaming women here, bub. I'm blaming a system that exploits them and bring out the worst in men (as far as it's affects on how the vast majority of them view/use women). You're contradicting yourself here, first you say sexual conquest and cheating are a part of mens' "nature," in fact you go as far as to say it's "in our genes," which I'm saying is a result of this expoitive system (hence it becomes prevelant "natural" behaviour), overwhelmingly dominated and controlled by men. Then you twist that around and put words in my mouth by saying I'm somehow blaming women. Absolute rubbish.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No need to blame the media, the media doesnt tell you or give you and justification to go on and ruin people's lives. Media/TV makes it bucks doing all kinds of ludicrous and dumb things, but it doesnt mean that, for example, if you buy a Vice City game or whatever, that you can go around and shoot people. Use your head, and whats better, get rid of that fucking TV. I haven't watched television in over a year, I feel so much smarter - there are so many other more useful things to do with life. Its a drug, it degrades your thinking, your memory ... just think of the hours of time wasted glued to that screen ... the damage done to your thinking by just sitting there and getting retarded ... damaged to the vision, etc.

For your information, I don't really watch TV, not particularly for this reason, but because it's adverse effects on the intellect, and the fact that I don't find it entertaining or intellectualy stimulating (for the most part). So we're in agreement on the intellectualy degenerative effects of television (a result of the type of programming). Second, the "violence" analogy is a very poor one. Seeing violence (especially with context) doesn't make one want to actually engage in real life violence (unless you're somewhat mentally unstable to being with). Constant exposure to sex/sexual material, on the other hand, does give you quite a quite a bit incentive to engage in or want more sex (not necessarily the act itself, but activities/enviornments/interactions with sexual overtones, heavy or subtle, which leads to more sex).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not blaming women here, bub. I'm blaming a system that exploits them and bring out the worst in men (as far as it's affects on how the vast majority of them view/use women). You're contradicting yourself here, first you say sexual conquest and cheating are a part of mens' "nature," which I'm saying is a result of this expoitive system (hence it becomes prevelant "natural" behaviour), overwhelmingly dominated and controlled by men. And then you twist that around and put words in my mouth by saying I'm somehow blaming women. Utter nonsense. For your information, I don't really watch TV, not particularly for this reason, but because it's adverse effects on the intellect, and the fact that I don't find it entertaining or intellectualy stimulating (for the most part). So we're in agreement on the intellectualy degenerative effects of television (a result of the type of programming). Second, the "violence" analogy is a very poor one. Seeing violence (especially with context) doesn't make one want to actually engage in real life violence (unless you're somewhat mentally unstable to being with). Constant exposure to sex/sexual material, on the other hand, does give you quite a quite a bit incentive to engage in or want more sex (not necessarily the act itself, but activities/enviornments/interactions with sexual tones, heavy or subtle, which leads to more sex).

I wasnt arguing your point, bud. I just added to my point, as I stated ;-) Yes, men are often portrayed as bad, as seen in cartoons like Family Guy, Simpsons, shows like Third Rock From the Sun, etc.

I said it is in nature to cheat, and many men cant control themselves, and blame women for seducing them.

I wasnt arguing, I just read your post and added some pointers to my post ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I wasnt arguing your point, bud. I just added to my point, as I stated ;-) Yes, men are often portrayed as bad, as seen in cartoons like Family Guy, Simpsons, shows like Third Rock From the Sun, etc. I said it is in nature to cheat, and many men cant control themselves, and blame women for seducing them. I wasnt arguing, I just read your post and added some pointers to my post ;-)

My bad for misinterpreting that, it's late, and I'm still studying for my test (in a half assed way, like posting here and studying ).

Women cheat too, and they do it just as often as men.

The only difference is, they do it more discreetly.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Women cheat too, and they do it just as often as men. The only difference is, they do it more discreetly.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I think they're more reluctant to do so, and it's usually a reaction to feeling neglected, being cheated on first, or some necessity they feel to "get even" or something (after that initial triggering incident, there's no define end to it). But that mostly applies to women who're ready to settle down/are married.

As far as young women go (I guess upto the age of 30 or around their early 30's or so), you're probably right.

Age and priorities make a difference. Priorities change with age.

Women can be trusted as they grow old and as long as you treat them good. My dad always use to tell me not to trust women. And this comes from a guy who cheated on hi wife, my mom, over 30 times. that is what he admitted and he had children with 12 of these women. Im glad he is gone. He wasn't a good role model.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Women can be trusted as they grow old and as long as you treat them good. My dad always use to tell me not to trust women. And this comes from a guy who cheated on hi wife, my mom, over 30 times. that is what he admitted and he had children with 12 of these women. Im glad he is gone. He wasn't a good role model.

Haha, interesting... So your father was a womanizer? One would think that he would "pass on" the genetic program for being a womanizer to you Do you consider yourself a ladies' man?

P.S. To Shaolin_Z: You are indeed very naive. 15% of American men are unknowingly raising children who are not theirs, according to official studies. Read the book "Sperm Wars", referenced above, for more info.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Perhaps I'm being naive, but I think they're more reluctant to do so, and it's usually a reaction to feeling neglected, being cheated on first, or some necessity they feel to "get even" or something (after that initial triggering incident, there's no define end to it). But that mostly applies to women who're ready to settle down/are married. As far as young women go (I guess upto the age of 30 or around their early 30's or so), you're probably right. Age and priorities make a difference. Priorities change with age.

From what I've read, men and women cheat about the same (men slightly more) when no children. When they have children in the family, studies have shown that woman is twice less likely to cheat because of the children.

Most men dont consider children when cheating, sadly ...

Women look for quality, while men look for quantity.

Best looking / most socially stable man she could find

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Most women he could have sex with.

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For most part.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Haha, interesting... So your father was a womanizer? One would think that he would "pass on" the genetic program for being a womanizer to you Do you consider yourself a ladies' man?

Far from it. I have only been in three relationships. My dad makes fun of me, he said when he was my age he had already dated over 12girls. He is quite open when it comes to talking about girls. Most times too open which would probably explain why I don't consider myself a womanizer. But these three gfs have been beautiful; to me, and that is what matters.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd P.S. To Shaolin_Z: You are indeed very naive. 15% of American men are unknowingly raising children who are not theirs, according to official studies. Read the book "Sperm Wars", referenced above, for more info.

I'm familiar with it, and have heard about it from tathi before (I think?). I've heard/read several interesting quotes but haven't read it yet though. It definetly seems like an interesting read. I guess I'll be picking up a copy of it sometime soon.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Most men dont consider children when cheating, sadly ...

Amen. That is the truth. Children to most men=not a worry they will still behave the same.

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Women look for quality, while men look for quantity. Best looking / most socially stable man she could find vs. Most women he could have sex with.

Not true for women. They mostly look for a guy they think is nice and has financial security.

Looks in a relationship matter more to a guy than a girl. I mean would you have sex with an ugly chick?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Not true for women. They mostly look for a guy they think is nice and has financial security.

I have to laugh at some of the comments read here. Look at you, 3 girlfriends, and you think you already know what "women look for".



What exactly makes you qualified to make these claims? The media? Your peers? Your culture?

A BIG LOL to "looks don't matter to women"

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd I have to laugh at some of the comments read here. Look at you, 3 girlfriends, and you think you already know what "women look for". What exactly makes you qualified to make these claims? The media? Your peers? Your culture? A BIG LOL to "looks don't matter to women"

well you it might be true.....Goddamnit why did you have to say that?!!!!!!!!

But trust me as they age most won't care about looks anymore.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd P.S. To Shaolin_Z: You are indeed very naive. 15% of American men are unknowingly raising children who are not theirs, according to official studies. Read the book "Sperm Wars", referenced above, for more info.

Perhaps you missed the part where I basically agreed with you? What I implied was married women (I guess I should have also added "with children") generally tend to not do so unless you cheat on them first, or if they feel neglected/not appriciated/think their husband a wuss. That doesn't mean I said they don't at all, even if neighter one of those conditions holds true. Does my expanding on it help?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd A BIG LOL to "looks don't matter to women"

Agreed, but not anywhere near as much as it matter to most men. It's not the sole factor women consider. Other things like status, confidence, personality (which generally isn't terribly useful without confidence/self-assurance/assertiveness/decisiveness) etc factor in as well when in comes to sexual appeal.

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