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France will impose a ban on smoking starting feb 1st 2007!

I guess your european way of life dogma is getting hurt bad with this


From CBC.ca


France moves to limit smoking

France will ban smoking in many public locations in February, and will extend the prohibition to restaurants, clubs and bars in early 2008, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said Sunday.

"I am convinced the French people are now ready," he told LCI television, adding the move is a "public health necessity" because 60,000 people in France die from smoking-related causes each year and another 5,000 from second-hand smoke.

The government is preparing a decree that will forbid smoking in schools, train stations, airports, offices, public buildings and other enclosed public spaces on Feb. 1, the prime minister said.

The government will enforce it with fines of about $100 for individual violators and $200 for owners of buildings who allow smoking. France's health-care system will pay some of the costs incurred by those trying to quit.

Some opponents said the measure, which has been under discussion for more than a year, violates their freedom.

Other European countries, including Ireland, Spain, Britain and Italy, have already moved against public smoking.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2006...ce-smoking.html

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putain, merde, fait chier.

haha fuck, the world's coolness just took 5 steps backwards.

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Originally posted by jon jon haha fuck, the world's coolness just took 5 steps backwards.

lol that's funny...poor Jay

yea, all of europe will soon follow and im glad.

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Originally posted by arek yea, all of europe will soon follow and im glad.

Belgium still allows smoking in bars, cafes and nightclubs! I love my country

help me out, I am a smoker, does anyone know if cigarettes are worse now than they were say in the 50's?

because everyone knows that they are bad, they aren't getting better or worse. And yet people who do it will continue, regardless of whether they are allowwed to.

And the people, espeically in European comminuties generally are for the most part aware that cigaretes are part of the public sphere. And from my experiances in Southern Europe they seem to be ok with that.

So why does it appear as though cigarettes are more and more being pushed to the small pockets of society on a global scale? This is crazy.

In the movie "thank you for smoking" there is a funny line in there that says something to the effect of "smoking in films are reserved for psycopaths and Eurpoeans" I laughed cause it seemed true, apparently that may not be the case for much longer.

More governments that feel the need to impose their suggested lifetyles on it's citizens.

Pretty sad!

Im sure they will feel it like we have

Has anyone here ever smoked a Gitanne or a Gauloise? Could there be any stronger a cigarette? Suck one of these back, and you're hacking out your lungs for a week.

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 In the movie "thank you for smoking" there is a funny line in there that says something to the effect of "smoking in films are reserved for psycopaths and Eurpoeans" I laughed cause it seemed true, apparently that may not be the case for much longer.

Hell I remember smoking in the movie theatres in Montreal.

Captain Black's Sweets is one smoooooth and sexy smoke.

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Originally posted by Cal Captain Black's Sweets is one smoooooth and sexy smoke.

+1

Even thinking of one gives me cravings. (And I quit smoking!)

I find it interesting that more and more gov'ts are following suit with increasingly stringent smoking bylaws.

so does this mean that it's becoming less and less a case of a few 'rogue' gov'ts imposing their will on the people (or whatever smokers, business owners, etc will call it) as it's more becoming the norm, as opposed to the exception, in Western jurisdictions?

So does this still remain a case of gov'ts infringing upon the perceived rights of smokers...or is this some sort of passive manifestation of the will of the people (since no formal referendums have been conducted)? or perhaps a collective sense that smoking should eventually (but slowly) be made illegal in public places (and perhaps altogether, at some point)?

i.e. if there truly is substantial opposition to such laws...why are *so* many gov'ts getting away with implementing them?

I mean, if gov'ts stripped "rights" away from certain groups, around the world, the people would presumably mobilize. So why not in the case of smoking? And given the strength of the tobacco lobby, how is this happening?

interseting indeed...I'm glad to see it...but for those who aren't, doesn't this make you wonder?

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oh well...at least i can still smoke in bars when i visit new hampshire.

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Originally posted by MarkT i.e. if there truly is substantial opposition to such laws...why are *so* many gov'ts getting away with implementing them?

because of a UN mandate that essentially pressures countries into making these laws.

It will be interesting to watch France though, those people riot for a lot less.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 because of a UN mandate that essentially pressures countries into making these laws. It will be interesting to watch France though, those people riot for a lot less.

UN mandate means diddly squat.

UN can't force any nation to do anything. Rather it's other nations forcing a nation to do something.

So if France is implementing this law, it's for some other reason other than following a UN mandate. (Or benefits from implementing a UN mandate)

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Originally posted by dallastar

please go pollute somewhere else.

Re: Jayx1: end of world is near!!! read on ...

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Originally posted by malek The government is preparing a decree that will forbid smoking in schools, train stations, airports, offices, public buildings and other enclosed public spaces on Feb. 1, the prime minister said.

As a former smoker I know alot of you smokers will be against this whole law. But, think of all the non-smokers that are also in the same enclosed area as the smokers. My belief is that if an office, business, club, etc. wants to allow smoking in their building, then create a seperate enclosed area to go smoke in. I have absolutly no problem with laws that ban smoking in these kind of places.

However, I would not think that they would need to come up with a law that disallows smoking in schools. I mean come on a school, why not just give each kid a pack of smokes a week. Common sense people, use that grey matter upstairs, thats what you have it for.

-Tim

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Hell I remember smoking in the movie theatres in Montreal.

HAHA< that's awesome! I dont smoke and I'd love to do that.

Pick myself up a nice pack of Marlboro Extra Lights and just eat popcorn and smoke enjoying the movie in the dark!

I think it's stupid that all of these laws are put in place without allowing a seperate, smoker's room.

I'm all for removing smoking from public spaces like resteraunts, bars etc. I hate second-hand smoke more than I hate most things, but I also feel that forcing smokers to go outside or stay home is very unfair, when a seperately ventilated smoking room is the perfect compromise.

When did compromise become a dirty word for governments? Why, when faced with an issue, is it either option A, or option B, when it could be option AB, or option BA? Why have smoking rooms been banned as well when other, perfectly reasonable options are available, that still allow smokers their indoor smoke?

And the argument that I know is coming "But what about the employees who need to work in the smoking room!" is complete bullshit. We have a law in Ontario whereby an employee has the right to refuse unsafe work. I think lungfulls of cancer-smoke is a pretty acceptable reason not to work the smoker-pit. Then again, from my experience in resteraunts and bars, most servers are smokers themselves, and would love to work the smoker-pit for tips. But, barring that, another option could be making smoking-rooms self-serve, so you'd have to order your food from, say, the bar, and pick it up yourself when it's ready. This is the way it was setup at the Pearson Airport. The smoking-room was nothing but tables, chairs and a couple TVs, while the bar was outside. And it worked perfectly.

Yes, smoking is bad for you. Yes, smoking harms others. That's why we had smoking rooms to begin with, so that non-smokers didn't have to deal with the smoke. The law should have banned smoking in all indoor places, unless a smoking room was available.

who cares about the rules, u dont see ppl in guv not smoking!!

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Originally posted by areon who cares about the rules, u dont see ppl in guv not smoking!!

It's easier to get away with it when 5000 other people are smushed into the crowd with you. It's another story when there's enough room that you can see what everyone's doing if you look in their direction.

ok wrong example, but u get the idea, need i remind u the history france has with their crazy riots they call "REVOLUTIONS"

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Originally posted by Spam I think it's stupid that all of these laws are put in place without allowing a seperate, smoker's room. I'm all for removing smoking from public spaces like resteraunts, bars etc. I hate second-hand smoke more than I hate most things, but I also feel that forcing smokers to go outside or stay home is very unfair, when a seperately ventilated smoking room is the perfect compromise. When did compromise become a dirty word for governments? Why, when faced with an issue, is it either option A, or option B, when it could be option AB, or option BA? Why have smoking rooms been banned as well when other, perfectly reasonable options are available, that still allow smokers their indoor smoke? And the argument that I know is coming "But what about the employees who need to work in the smoking room!" is complete bullshit. We have a law in Ontario whereby an employee has the right to refuse unsafe work. I think lungfulls of cancer-smoke is a pretty acceptable reason not to work the smoker-pit. Then again, from my experience in resteraunts and bars, most servers are smokers themselves, and would love to work the smoker-pit for tips. But, barring that, another option could be making smoking-rooms self-serve, so you'd have to order your food from, say, the bar, and pick it up yourself when it's ready. This is the way it was setup at the Pearson Airport. The smoking-room was nothing but tables, chairs and a couple TVs, while the bar was outside. And it worked perfectly. Yes, smoking is bad for you. Yes, smoking harms others. That's why we had smoking rooms to begin with, so that non-smokers didn't have to deal with the smoke. The law should have banned smoking in all indoor places, unless a smoking room was available.

I concur.

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