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She could be out in 40 yrs
Hello ppl, i'm unhappy here and here is why i'm so unhappy. Andrea Yates, the texas mom convicted of killing her 5 children, drowning them one by one. She gets life (w/o chance of parole for 40 yrs), now i'm not going to debate the death penalty here (btw i do think she should have got). What i'm unhappy about is that the talk is about andrea yates, andrea yates, andrea yates, but who the heck will speak for the children that are dead. In society, it is all about the rights of the accused and convicts but who speaks for the ppl that got assaulted or even killed. Seems that they convicted and accused ppl have more rights than the victims and their families. So do you think that what i'm saying is right. I repeat this is not a debate about the death penalty, we could debate that in another thread, another time, the issue at stake is do victims and their families have less rights than the convicted.
what? she's in texas and she didn't get the chair?
see what happens when you put George Dubya in office? the elect some new softy as govenor of texas.. and the whole place goes to hell in a hand basket.
without the chance of parole for 40 years means just that. in 40 years she can be up for parole, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she will get it. more than likely she will die in prison, and the state didn't feel like putting another woman on death row. rest assured, the bitch will rot.
not to split hairs or anything, but the dead really don't have rights any more. 
not sure i understand
I think you have a point...but what can the victims and the families do??
I don't agree... she got life, so what's your problem? She did a horrendous thing and must be punished for it. Regardless, she is still a human being and must have rights. Her children were robbed of their lives, and now she must face the consequences in prison. But there is always the possibility of repentance so she should not be robbed of her life and her ability to change.
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| who the heck will speak for the children that are dead |
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| Seems that they convicted and accused ppl have more rights than the victims and their families. |
whats the big deal...IF she gets out shell be 77! im not afradi of a 77 year old baby killer, and therefore dont see the problem. its cheaper to keep her alive, and probably shittier/
this hiw we could make everyone happier...send her as a ginny pig for military experiments...=)
that demented woman should have gotton the worst form of torture that can be brought forth on man-kind...she is with out a doubt the worst and sickest form of a criminal that is on this earth.,...
People who kill innocent children should NOT...i repeat SHOULD FUCKING NOT have the right to breath are air every again....she should be taken into a back alley and beaten over and over then have each everyone of her limbs torn off then beat her with those...then when she is just a torso and a head take her and throw her in a pool and watch and LAUGH as she bobs around trying to keep afloat...then just then maybe she will have a slight glimpse of the crime she has committed...
And for all the freaken liberals on this board who argue that the death penalty does no good...and that it wont help the dead kids...well your right it wont bring them back or do any good..but you know what...i might show other sick fucks who commit these sicko crimes not to do them or they will be dealt with harshly...and besides whoever thinks a woman who kills her 5 kids with torture and thinks she deserves to live is just as fucking sick as her...children are sacred and even in prison hard criminlas will beat you and even kill you if they find out u raped or killed a child...thats how much they even hate it....
screw rights...kill the fucking bitch slowly!!!!!!!!
hmm i must be one of the 'freaken liberals' just because i think its cheaper and shittier in jail...
what good does killing her do? let her rot in prison - if its torture youre after, this is much better than a painless death, her other option/
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| Originally posted by biznology hmm i must be one of the 'freaken liberals' just because i think its cheaper and shittier in jail... what good does killing her do? let her rot in prison - if its torture youre after, this is much better than a painless death, her other option/ |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 anyone who thinks this fucking sick bitch desereves to live is a real dumb shit.... |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 People who kill innocent children should NOT...i repeat SHOULD FUCKING NOT have the right to breath are air every again |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo I'm not going to insult you for your stupid comment that probably has offended many people. I'll just blame it on your ignorance and let it slide. I think she deserves to live. Yes, everyone deserves to live. If God wanted her dead, He would kill her. The fact that she's still alive means that God thinks some good can still come from her life... no matter what horrible things she has already done. |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo And I really hope you are against abortion |
Michael Russo from Etobicoke?
The worst form of torture is living in prison for 40 years.. I know guys who've done 2 years up in Canada, and they called it nothing short of a living hell.
Where does this impression come from that being in prison is somehow nice.. Its a horrible life, its a form of torture, and I for one would personally choose death than have to face 40 years in a prison...
People think straight, yes she's a horrible woman, but she will suffer for 40 years behind bars.. Try imagining that feeling of her first real night in prison knowing she has 40 years in that hell hole... Seriously, its a very sick situation, prison is HELL and anyone that thinks even 20 years is easy should really go visit a prison and see what its like.
40 years in prison = Hell ..... dying instead = easy way out...
It wouldn't even be a question, if I had to choose 40 yrs in prison or death, hand me a gun...
Hell in cdn prisons........that is a new one. We toronto folk think it is a country club but if cdn jails are harsh, i'll take your word on it.
She didn't get the death penalty, simple because of her "mental illness". She had stopped taking her medication (2 weeks I think it was?) before she committed the crime. Anyways, anyone declaring severe mental illness has a better chance than any other statement.
You got to ask yourself, about the death sentence. It goes both ways. I mean, most people, that actually committ these crimes, don't have a real desire to live anyway. In the andrea yates, case......look at what she has left......She took the lives of her 5 children, she lives, and apparently has always lived with a severely miserable mental illness... I can put money down, this woman wouldn't mind receiving the death sentence.....
People don't realize that the death sentence is almost like doing them a favor. Look at how they do it now days...... FIRST, you get put asleep, and THEN you get injected with the chemicals. So basically, its like being put to sleep. No pain, no suffering, nothing. So the way I look at it is, let the after life take care of them........
Tiesto, you want to punish that woman? Put her in solitary for life. No windows, no sounds, NOTHING. Mental punishment is by far, worse than any physical punishment. Losing all sense of sanity. Amazing how you're mind will begin to slowly change. No communication with anyone. No sound, what so ever, complete silence to the point, you WILL start hearing things. Your consciousness will begin to lose self control, and you slowly begin to enter a realm of spinning, anxiety, stress, mental pain, which then induces physical pain. Basically, you lose it, completely. Your mind becomes your worst enemy, and you are ABSOLUTELY in no control and in total misery. To the point of wanting to take your own life, however, it can't be done, even if you don't eat the food provided. The prison itself will tie you down, and feed you through needles. Your mind constantly reminds you, there is no way out. Its the closest thing to hell I can imagine.
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| Originally posted by torontotrance Hell in cdn prisons........that is a new one. We toronto folk think it is a country club but if cdn jails are harsh, i'll take your word on it. |
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| Originally posted by SportTrance She didn't get the death penalty, simple because of her "mental illness". She had stopped taking her medication (2 weeks I think it was?) before she committed the crime. Anyways, anyone declaring severe mental illness has a better chance than any other statement. You got to ask yourself, about the death sentence. It goes both ways. I mean, most people, that actually committ these crimes, don't have a real desire to live anyway. In the andrea yates, case......look at what she has left......She took the lives of her 5 children, she lives, and apparently has always lived with a severely miserable mental illness... I can put money down, this woman wouldn't mind receiving the death sentence..... People don't realize that the death sentence is almost like doing them a favor. Look at how they do it now days...... FIRST, you get put asleep, and THEN you get injected with the chemicals. So basically, its like being put to sleep. No pain, no suffering, nothing. So the way I look at it is, let the after life take care of them........ Tiesto, you want to punish that woman? Put her in solitary for life. No windows, no sounds, NOTHING. Mental punishment is by far, worse than any physical punishment. Losing all sense of sanity. Amazing how you're mind will begin to slowly change. No communication with anyone. No sound, what so ever, complete silence to the point, you WILL start hearing things. Your consciousness will begin to lose self control, and you slowly begin to enter a realm of spinning, anxiety, stress, mental pain, which then induces physical pain. Basically, you lose it, completely. Your mind becomes your worst enemy, and you are ABSOLUTELY in no control and in total misery. To the point of wanting to take your own life, however, it can't be done, even if you don't eat the food provided. The prison itself will tie you down, and feed you through needles. Your mind constantly reminds you, there is no way out. Its the closest thing to hell I can imagine. |
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| Originally posted by Thor Bravo, couldn't have said it better myself. But solitary for life is cruel and unusual punishment... That I couldn't agree with, its beyond punishment |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 i am for abortion...and i made my arguement about that,,,a fetus is not a baby./... |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 well i dont care if u insult me....but your statement about God was bullshit...how is that God would want a woman who murdered her own children with torture to live.... AND NOT EVERYONE DESEREVES TO LIVE...thats horse shit.... u think Hitler (even though i am German) desereved to live, or some guy that rapes and beats then kills a 9 year old innocent girl...imagine thats your daughter...keep the religous crap out of it...if God feels she should live then i WANT NO PART of that God... |
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| Originally posted by Vivid Boy Michael Russo from Etobicoke? |
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| Originally posted by tiesto14 And for all the freaken liberals on this board who argue that the death penalty does no good...and that it wont help the dead kids...well your right it wont bring them back or do any good..but you know what...i might show other sick fucks who commit these sicko crimes not to do them or they will be dealt with harshly...and besides whoever thinks a woman who kills her 5 kids with torture and thinks she deserves to live is just as fucking sick as her...children are sacred and even in prison hard criminlas will beat you and even kill you if they find out u raped or killed a child...thats how much they even hate it.... screw rights...kill the fucking bitch slowly!!!!!!!! |
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| Originally posted by astroboy I don't think deterrance is particularly relevant in this case. Someone in Andrea Yates' condition will not be capable of sitting down and thinking "hmmm... let me think about what sorts of horrible punishments people who have committed similar crimes have received... oh yeah they killed andrea yates... I better not kill my kids then". She was mentally ill, I doubt she enjoyed killing her kids, and I doubt she was in a state of mind where she could have considered the consequences. Killing her would achieve absolutely nothing - I'd rather spend the money on a team of specialists to analyse her condition and come up with a way of dealing with it so in other cases such tragic outcomes can be prevented. |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo I'm sorry, I'm new here... I didn't know about your "argument"... but I don't need to hear it, I've heard them all, and they are all shit. |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo First of all, abortion is murder. It is, in no way, shape, or form, any different than what that woman did. Just because the government says its ok, doesn't mean it is. |
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| Originally posted by Michael Russo Think about it this way. God created us. Therefore if we are living it's cause He wants us to. God doesn't want us to hurt others, but he does want us to change. So its not right to kill people who have done bad things.. |
some points.
1) I am an Atheist, (actually "Agnostic - Atheist" which is practically the same thing as Atheist, just a little more specific to my beliefs.) so the God argument does not work for me.
2) Someone said, "I bet you anything that she wouldn't mind being put to death," OF COURSE SHE DOESN'T!! She WANTED specifically for George Bush to execute her, and for him to reveal a 666 on her forhead before they inject her. This woman is a nutcase, of course she wants to die. She took a verse from the Bible, and with that killed her children to punish herself. She is a fucking nutcase, and killing her in such a humane way is very simpathetic. Even if they institutionalize her, if she recovers, she's still going to be fucked up from the aspect of killing her 5 kids so grusomely!
3) Live, or death, either brings justice. Noone wins in this case, it's said. I feel so sorry for those kids....it's probably the most horrible situation i could think of. If they make a Andrea Yates movie some day, there is no way in fuck i'm watching it.
4) O.O.T.: I am Pro-Abortion, because it's a drastic measure that needs to be available. Mothers don't WANT to have abortions, they are forced to. it's horrible, but it's necissary.
Funny how human life is so amazingly valued by Christianity in the most strict ways, but obviously God does not feel the same way. Slaves in the Bible were not people, but property, and it was not murder to kill one. Hmm...who looks barbaric now? Pro-Abortionists, or Christains? Having a set of morals is good, but having them restrict your judgement is bad. Be a free-thinker.
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