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Beatmatching goes out of sync everytime

I mixed two tracks and I tried to beatmatch the second track while the first one was playing.
I got it beatmatched and then it went totally out of sync again.
I turned the wheel left (donnu how it is called in english) and it was beatmatched again so I raised the pitch a bit but then it went out of sync again.
There was no vinyl noise at the end of the track (so it can't be recorded of vinyl and there is no reason that the track wouldn't be recorded at the same bpm).
What could be the problem?
I used a old pair of CDJ100, could that be the problem?

Omer.

this problem has been covered in other threads, use the search button!...

how long have you been mixing for? Typically beatmaching is never a 100% exact process so if you're new to all this you need to spend more time practicing and it will click. also, some tracks dont have natural tempo's and constantly shift throughout the track or sometimes just in the ending. the track you have is vinyl? if you have BPM analyzer watch it to see if the track is changing tempo

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster this problem has been covered in other threads, use the search button!... how long have you been mixing for? Typically beatmaching is never a 100% exact process so if you're new to all this you need to spend more time practicing and it will click. also, some tracks dont have natural tempo's and constantly shift throughout the track or sometimes just in the ending. the track you have is vinyl? if you have BPM analyzer watch it to see if the track is changing tempo

It's on cdjs. the track shifts all the way through but it shouldn't since it's on the same bpm. The tracks were beatmatched for two seconds before it shifted.
I've been mixing since july.

Omer

cdj bpm meters arent to be trusted!! use your ears, if its not syncing then the tempo is fluctuating...it takes getting used to when you have tracks like this but thats why its important to know your tracks....

If the track is download from filesharing thigns like limewire it has a good chance that it will have variations in its speed because of the dodgy recording process.

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Originally posted by The Drow It's on cdjs. the track shifts all the way through but it shouldn't since it's on the same bpm. The tracks were beatmatched for two seconds before it shifted. I've been mixing since july. Omer

If it was beatmatched for two seconds then it wasn't beatmatched at all. Just keep practicing it took me a bit over a year to become half decent at beatmatching.

And don't look at the BPM on the CDJs it will just throw you off they aren't anywhere near accurate enough to mix with.

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Originally posted by Zild If it was beatmatched for two seconds then it wasn't beatmatched at all. Just keep practicing it took me a bit over a year to become half decent at beatmatching. And don't look at the BPM on the CDJs it will just throw you off they aren't anywhere near accurate enough to mix with.

I agree, the best way to learn to beatmatch is do it by ear, never use the BPM counter, I learned on a set of Stanton STR8-60's and the motors were shot, it is a fustracting process but when u get it is all smooth sailing from there

You have to more carefully adjust for drift between the two tracks I think.

this sounds normal. Try correcting it on the fly with the pitch slider or you finger

when youve beatmatched the track (or atleast you think you did) let it play for like 20 secs, if you have to slow the track down a bit, lower the pitch with a little bit (if youre mixing longen you will know how much you have to adjust the pitch)

just a try error cycle

if you can get the track to play 20secs or so in sync in you phones it is good and you can mix it in, if you have to adjust just a tiny little bit after these 20 secs, DON'T touch the pitch, just correct with the pitch bend or platter till its in sync again

doesn't throwing in a track on say the 4th beat instead of the 1st beat also effect it???

a buddy of mine did that out of habit and constantly was adjusting his pitch...brought it up to him and now he's beatmatching almost perfectly everytime

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Originally posted by i got big pants doesn't throwing in a track on say the 4th beat instead of the 1st beat also effect it??? a buddy of mine did that out of habit and constantly was adjusting his pitch...brought it up to him and now he's beatmatching almost perfectly everytime

I mean, if it's synched then it shouldn't matter in terms of drift, but then your phrases are outta whack which is no good. When you're cueing it doesn't really matter what beat you start the beatmatching on of course.

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Originally posted by The Drow I mixed two tracks and I tried to beatmatch the second track while the first one was playing. I got it beatmatched and then it went totally out of sync again. I turned the wheel left (donnu how it is called in english) and it was beatmatched again so I raised the pitch a bit but then it went out of sync again. There was no vinyl noise at the end of the track (so it can't be recorded of vinyl and there is no reason that the track wouldn't be recorded at the same bpm). What could be the problem? I used a old pair of CDJ100, could that be the problem? Omer.

i suggest buying ur tracks.. cause aparently you arent

Honestly,

I think that being able to correct quickly and precisely is a more important skill in beatmatching that actually getting an accurate beatmatch.

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Originally posted by Zild If it was beatmatched for two seconds then it wasn't beatmatched at all. Just keep practicing it took me a bit over a year to become half decent at beatmatching. And don't look at the BPM on the CDJs it will just throw you off they aren't anywhere near accurate enough to mix with.

There was no BPM meter anywhere...

Omer

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Originally posted by nchs09 i suggest buying ur tracks.. cause aparently you arent

no I dont buy them. and considering the amounts of money that I have right now, I can't afford it.

Omer

i see another problem i missed before, i thought i tsaid cdj1000 not 100


with the 100's the pitch goes .1 instead of teh 1000 which goes .02


so ya sometimes u cant match it perfectly so ull have to keep making adjustments, but be SUPER careful because the wheels on the 100's are soooo sensitive.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman I mean, if it's synched then it shouldn't matter in terms of drift, but then your phrases are outta whack which is no good. When you're cueing it doesn't really matter what beat you start the beatmatching on of course.

Unless, of course, the guy would bring it in on the fourth beat of the new phrase of the outgoing track. A couple of tracks I've purchased off of Beatport are actually missing one or two beats, so I have to bring them in on the second or third beat of the outgoing track.

/thread hijack

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Originally posted by idoru Unless, of course, the guy would bring it in on the fourth beat of the new phrase of the outgoing track. A couple of tracks I've purchased off of Beatport are actually missing one or two beats, so I have to bring them in on the second or third beat of the outgoing track. /thread hijack

that's really quiete bloody ridiculous, isn't it?

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Originally posted by nchs09 i see another problem i missed before, i thought i tsaid cdj1000 not 100 with the 100's the pitch goes .1 instead of teh 1000 which goes .02 so ya sometimes u cant match it perfectly so ull have to keep making adjustments, but be SUPER careful because the wheels on the 100's are soooo sensitive.

yeah, but matching with a .1% error won't result in it drifting after 2 seconds.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter yeah, but matching with a .1% error won't result in it drifting after 2 seconds.

exactly i seem to manage just fine mixing on 0.1% decks. if u have matched 2 tracks well enough you shouldnt have to correct more than 2 or 3 times in a mix.

true, ya i learned on a buddies cd100 and well..... u can get a good mix.. but sometimes i had a hard time

i guess cause i was learning

Lol... you guys should start playing more vinyl, you have to correct CONSTANTLY throughout the mix, locking and walking away is much much more difficult (even on 1200's).

Now that I've been playing with Torq for a week or so, I go back to my CDJ-1000's and it's a no-brainer.

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Originally posted by TheTranceKing I agree, the best way to learn to beatmatch is do it by ear, never use the BPM counter,

Yup. I rented a pair of CDJ 800's (rent to buy, technically) and the first thing I did was put some tape over the BPM counter.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Lol... you guys should start playing more vinyl, you have to correct CONSTANTLY throughout the mix, locking and walking away is much much more difficult (even on 1200's). Now that I've been playing with Torq for a week or so, I go back to my CDJ-1000's and it's a no-brainer.

Yeah, cds are easy as shit.

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