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So I says to the taxi driver......you think the Christians are bad??

What do you mean you will not take me to the airport??

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Don't Bring That Booze Into My Taxi By Daniel Pipes CNSNews.com Commentary October 11, 2006 (Editor's note: After this commentary was written, Minneapolis-St. Paul airport officials dropped the "two-light" plan for taxicabs, citing an overwhelmingly negative public response.) A minor issue at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport has potentially major implications for the future of Islam in the United States. Starting about a decade ago, some Muslim taxi drivers serving the airport declared they would not transport passengers who were visibly carrying alcohol -- in transparent duty-free shopping bags, for example. This stance stemmed from their understanding of the Koran's ban on alcohol. A driver named Fuad Omar explained: "This is our religion. We could be punished in the afterlife if we agree to [transport alcohol]. This is a Koran issue. This came from heaven." Another driver, Muhamed Mursal, echoed his words: "It is forbidden in Islam to carry alcohol." The issue emerged publicly in 2000. On one occasion, 16 drivers in a row refused a passenger with bottles of alcohol. This left the passenger - who had done nothing legally wrong - feeling like a criminal. For their part, the 16 cabbies lost income. As Josh L. Dickey of the Associated Press put it, when drivers at Minneapolis-St. Paul refuse a fare for any reason, "they go to the back of the line. Waaaay back. Past the terminal, down a long service road, and into a sprawling parking lot jammed with cabs in Bloomington, where drivers sit idle for hours, waiting to be called again." To avoid this predicament, Muslim taxi drivers asked the Metropolitan Airports Commission for permission to refuse passengers carrying liquor -- or even suspected of carrying liquor -- without being banished to the end of the line. MAC rejected this appeal, worried that drivers might offer religion as an excuse to refuse short-distance passengers. The number of Muslim drivers has now increased, to the point that they reportedly make up three-quarters of MSP's 900 cabdrivers. By September 2006, Muslims turned down an estimated three fares a day based on their religious objection to alcohol, an airport spokesman, Patrick Hogan, told the Associated Press, adding that this issue has "slowly grown over the years to the point that it's become a significant customer service issue." As Mr. Hogan told USA Today, "Travelers often feel surprised and insulted." With this in mind, MAC proposed a pragmatic solution: drivers unwilling to carry alcohol could get a special color light on their car roofs, signaling their views on alcohol to taxi starters and customers alike. From the airport's point of view, this scheme offers a sensible and efficient mechanism to resolve a minor irritant, leaving no passenger insulted and no driver losing business. "Airport authorities are not in the business of interpreting sacred texts or dictating anyone's religious choices," Hogan points out. "Our goal is simply to ensure travelers at [the airport] are well served." Awaiting approval only from the airport's taxi advisory committee, the two-light proposal will likely be in operation by the end of 2006. But on a societal level, the proposed solution has massive and worrisome implications. Namely, the two-light plan intrudes the Shari'a, or Islamic law, with state sanction, into a mundane commercial transaction in Minnesota. A government authority thus sanctions a signal as to who does or does not follow Islamic law. What of taxi drivers beyond those at MSP? Other Muslims in Minneapolis-St. Paul and across the country could well demand the same privilege. Bus conductors might follow suit. The whole transport system could be divided between those Islamically observant and those not so. Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks. MAC has consulted on the taxi issue with the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society, an organization the Chicago Tribune has established is devoted to turning the United States into a country run be Islamic law. The wife of a former head of the organization, for example, has explained that its goal is "to educate everyone about Islam and to follow the teachings of Islam with the hope of establishing an Islamic state." It is precisely the innocuous nature of the two-light taxi solution that makes it so insidious -- and why the Metropolitan Airports Commission should reconsider its wrong-headed decision. (Daniel Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Militant Islam Reaches America. He has a Ph.D. in early Islamic history from Harvard and taught at Harvard and the University of Chicago.)

this has got to be the stupidist shite I have ever read. but the best out of this article has to be:

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Why stop with alcohol? Muslim taxi drivers in several countries already balk at allowing seeing-eye dogs in their cars. Future demands could include not transporting women with exposed arms or hair, homosexuals, and unmarried couples. For that matter, they could ban men wearing kippas, as well as Hindus, atheists, bartenders, croupiers, astrologers, bankers, and quarterbacks.

what the hell is wrong with a seeing eye dog?? I mean how retarded is this?? Please someone tell me that Islam DOES NOT have issues with seeing eye dogs.

ANd please do not tell me its because the West does not understand, they come to a new land that gives them wealth and oppurtunity and they want this?? If I am not going to lay down and allow Christian to tell me I can or cannot do certain things, I will be dammed if I let another religion tell me I cannot catch a cab cause I have a 4 pack of Duvel in my shopping bag..

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But on a societal level, the proposed solution has massive and worrisome implications. Namely, the two-light plan intrudes the Shari'a, or Islamic law, with state sanction, into a mundane commercial transaction in Minnesota. A government authority thus sanctions a signal as to who does or does not follow Islamic law.

Oh so you don't want to carry certain passengers, but you do not want to give passengers the oppurtunity to ID you,

Then if their profits fall from people not taking their cabs cause of this, then they will scream discrimination, who wants to bet on that?? What if a group of non muslim riders decided not to take Muslim owned cabs??

People on here scream at the top of thier lungs about the Radical Christian Fundies trying to run the Gov. But these Muslim people are just as bad...... Religion is such a drag.

Re: So I says to the taxi driver......you think the Christians are bad??

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Originally posted by LazFX

Contact the ACLU...

Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with dogs.

Re: Re: So I says to the taxi driver......you think the Christians are bad??

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: Contact the ACLU... Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with dogs.

Someone contact PETA patrol!

just another example of religion at odds with modern freedoms of choice & expression.

That has to be the most retarded thing I've read all day long. It's you're freaking job to transport people, so get on with it already or find another profession.

Even if they DID put special green lights on their cabs, you'd know who to boycott whether you had alcohol or not...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Even if they DID put special green lights on their cabs, you'd know who to boycott whether you had alcohol or not...

Next terrorist attack, everyone in Minneapolis-St. Paul will know who to throw eggs at...

Fir3start3r had it right, I would invision two lines of taxies one everybody uses and the other with green lights that rarely gets fares. Though I would suspect the Muslim cabbies might be fine with that as they and groups like the Muslim American Society would see it as a step towards Islamization. The only reason this particular airport has to consider such an idea is because the Muslim cabbies make up such a large portion of the employed. Even still, I think the airport officials could quit being pussies and make the cabbies go to the end of the line without any special treatment. If they don't like it they can find another job, I doubt there is really a shortage of cabbies in Minneapolis that it would become a problem to replace them.

I understand why they wouldn't want to pick up drunken idiots, especially considering they can get violent. but disallowing seeing eye dogs is intellectually myopic (pun intended )

Re: Re: So I says to the taxi driver......you think the Christians are bad??

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: Contact the ACLU... Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with dogs.

Wow, I did not know that. I mean, I hate dogs, won't own one, I like cats, but not to pick up a fare and do my job??

wow,

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Originally posted by Q5echo

+1

I love it.

What gets me most about this is not that Muslims are trying to follow their religion, but that people are trying to avoid the consequences of their own decisions. So you choose not to transport people caring alcohol in a country that has no problem with alcohol, no big deal. But instead of "taking the high road" and suffering for your beliefs and decisions you want everyone else to cater to you and suffer for YOUR beliefs.

The freaking double standard apparent in this example alone is insane. The muslim taxi drivers claim to not want to transport alcohol for fear of divine punishment, yet they do not want to suffer any earthly "punishment" either. They are not willing to sacrifice their place in the taxi line for this "higher" calling of theirs.

I don't blame this on religion in anyway merely the stupidity of the human being.

Most religions realize that adhering to its beliefs requires some sacrifice and I am sure the Koran has something along the lines of this:

1 Chronicles 21:24
'But King David replied to Araunah, "No, I insist on paying the full price. I will not take for the LORD what is yours, or sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing."'

I have a quote from a Buddhist monk that says something along the same lines regarding sacrifice, however I cannot find that book. I must have left it at my parents house. =(

The biggest problem with this is those refusing, don't understand their own damn religion.

It's not that they can't take someone ELSE with alcohol, it's that THEY can't touch it.
(Shaolin_Z can probably back me up on that...)

How stupid is this whole ordeal??

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