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is the industry standard around about 130 nowadays?

i remember back in the days of 145 and such, really stompin and energetic, now its all too apparent that ppl are spinning house and prog.

does the slower tempo suggest DJs are getting knackered out? ie PVD (i remember say like in 2000 he would spin his records at like +8%, really ragging it out) but now many DJs would not even go past +4%, not even with the slower records)

i mean when i spin its usually around about +4-6%, keeping it around 143-147bpm (somewhere around there)

i dunno, maybe ive had too much to drink+combination of being bored.

anyone still spin at high tempos? 145 all the way!

Is this a serious question?

was that a serious answer?

Oh ffs, I should have known better....

yes epic trance DJs spins slower nowadays than a couple of years ago. The best example is Ferry Corsten Live at Trance Energy 2000. Compare that set with his sets today.

My range has changed in places, newer music I accomodate mainly at 130-140 because for progressive trance/house and progpsy, that's what suits. If i'm playing hard/techy/techno/fullon psy I'll go up from 145-150, and anthems either at 138 or 143 depending on if theyr'e deeper or hands in the air. Still love to bang tunes out at 145-148 when it works, eg o'callaghan & kearney - exactly & martin roth stuff, but it doesn't always allow now, and my d&b side, well that's pretty much a set tempo anyway

Yeah man, it really just depends on the genre. I do think I get what you're saying though as it does seem that over the past few years, overall, the speed has slowed from the '99 and earlier era, or at least, the stuff getting played out by the top trance DJs like rebel said.

Now that you mention it, I have noticed my sets slow down a bit.

130 has such a nice right to it.. 134 is my top


but i guess i dont spin trance

I can't say much about spinning, but the stuff I write rarely goes below 140 BPM, and often reaches around 150. I find it's easier to get an energeting trance effect at the higher tempos; the rolling bassline and arpeggios move faster, which makes the brain smooth the sound out more, I guess, so I feel more flow.

i'm glad no one spins stuff at +6% to +8% anymore as it sounds very bad in most cases.

By the way, there are a lot of elements that you can add to a track to make it seem like it is moving faster then it really is. A lot of my favorite progressive & tech-house tracks are like that.

About Pvd for ex.

Compare his production in 2001
& now coming slower

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0xns34

I used to enjoy the 140bpm range, but in my old age (ha ha) I now prefer a track to not exceed 138bpm. ISOS5 really has given me a new appreciation for the 130-132bpm range as well. If I've had an overly stressful day at work, spinning a set at the 130bpm range seems to be more relaxing than mixing at 138bpm, for example. Some tracks simply hit their sweet spot at a lower bpm, I think. Smith & Pledger pres. Aspect - Hijack is a good example. I love this track, but if I get it over 134bpm it loses its magic (at least for me).

That was some silly nonsensical rambling, wasn't it? God I need sleep.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT By the way, there are a lot of elements that you can add to a track to make it seem like it is moving faster then it really is. A lot of my favorite progressive & tech-house tracks are like that.

True. A good 130bpm makes ppl dance more than a boring 150bpm tune. Tempo isn't really that important imo.

At peak times 140-144 is still gotta be used just to get a crowd really energetic. But yeh i would agree most trance DJs are playing a lot slower these days. The best of them like O'Bir still rattle it out when its required though. Didnt like the part of the Armin went through and wouldny play anything above 138 and some tunes just sounded rubbish that slow for the type of tunes they were. Horses for courses really

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Originally posted by Zoso I used to enjoy the 140bpm range, but in my old age (ha ha) I now prefer a track to not exceed 138bpm. ISOS5 really has given me a new appreciation for the 130-132bpm range as well. If I've had an overly stressful day at work, spinning a set at the 130bpm range seems to be more relaxing than mixing at 138bpm, for example. Some tracks simply hit their sweet spot at a lower bpm, I think. Smith & Pledger pres. Aspect - Hijack is a good example. I love this track, but if I get it over 134bpm it loses its magic (at least for me). That was some silly nonsensical rambling, wasn't it? God I need sleep.

well thats fair enough rly if u listen to a slow set when u get home from a hard day at work but im talking about when ppl party to 130ish bpm sets.

i know im gunna get flamed for this but a good rockin party doesnt rly get fired up with this prog stuff, not that i find.

i mean the only stuff that can get a trance party going is probably hard trance or something, but like tech and other stuff thrown in is just as good.

thats my cause for the decline in the trance scene as of late, it was marketable in the 2000 when it was fast, energetic and vibrant, it was a whole party scene ffs! (whever u put that down to drugs or whatever, is up to u)

and yes random rambling is good, makes me feel better

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ i know im gunna get flamed for this but a good rockin party doesnt rly get fired up with this prog stuff, not that i find.

Tech house works like a treat, as Doombot pointed out

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Originally posted by TOR Tech house works like a treat, as Doombot pointed out

well tech house/tech trance is a winner (pvd - live @ energy 2003)

i dunno how it would be portrayed nowadays but in that particular set, it was fucking banging.

My bpm varies base on the dancefloor 130-141

thing with most epic trance is that it isn't groove-orientated, so for it to really have effect it has to have drive... and with anything under 140 that drive just isn't there. for me, at least.. i think it's a shame DJs are playing it slower these days

anything deeper/groovier really needs to be slower to get the effect.. though i generally don't associate myself with stuff under 130

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Originally posted by isoterra thing with most epic trance is that it isn't groove-orientated, so for it to really have effect it has to have drive... and with anything under 140 that drive just isn't there. for me, at least.. i think it's a shame DJs are playing it slower these days anything deeper/groovier really needs to be slower to get the effect.. though i generally don't associate myself with stuff under 130

that was the word i was looking for, 'drive'

sets nowadays dont have that particular drive, as u say with that lower bpm, thats non existant

so really this topic is the debate about the difference between 'groove' and 'drive'

ive always been into the whole more driving harder stuff, hence the higher tempos, faster rolling basslines, euphoric arpeggios etc...and breakdowns wouldnt last for 5 minutes

For those of you who are saying there aren't tracks out there under 140BPM with drive, you are very misguided and misinformed. There are a ton.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT For those of you who are saying there aren't tracks out there under 140BPM with drive, you are very misguided and misinformed. There are a ton.

yeah maybe. but i bet u that track is more driving at 145bpm than +0%

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ yeah maybe. but i bet u that track is more driving at 145bpm than +0%

I don't think so. A lot of times it is hard to keep the track sounding good once you go beyond a certain -+%. I have a bunch that still sound fine but I also have a ton that sound like utter shit once you go beyond about 3% to 5%

Just remember, faster isn't always better.

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