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DJM800 vs Xone:92

Well the time came, and I'm looking to buy a new mixer... the one i had in mind was the Xone:92 but im hearing a lot of good things about the DJM800... I hear that the DJM is a lot better sounding with CDJ1000's (because of the digital option)..

can anyone help?.. i'm not worried about the extra couple hundred for the xone:92.. which one is better?

thanks!

Topics like this generally consist of people who are either pro-Xone or pro-Pioneer, and very few people are in between. It's all down to what you want, really. Just compare what each of them offers compared to the other, go somewhere to try them out, and decide for yourself.

Hows about going to a shop and trying both of them...

both Idoru and the Don are right...the only one whos dishing out $1.5k+ for these is you so it comes down to personal choice. its pretty much digital vs. analog and if you want some info on the DJM800 i have a thread (youve probably seen it) about my experience since i just got mine...both are outstanding mixers and both are considered "industry standards" for the club scene these days. ask yourself what you want to get out of it....is it a money issue? do you plan on incorporating digital media such as ableton? do you like analog sound over digital?

hope it helps
cheers

both have midi capability, so you can use them with ableton and such along with hooking in your decks...But honestly, are you going to hear that much of a drastic different in +sound quality from the 800 over the 92 if its supposed to make the 1000 sounds better. Unless youre going to take that thing to a club that has an underpar mixer. Both also have similar price ranges. Id say go test it out somewhere if you can.

go out and try them both like someone said already...I have the 800 then I never looked at 92 so I cant compare, it wouldnt make any sense for me to get a 92 with my CDJs and efx I chose all Pioneer just try them both and see for yourself

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Originally posted by Prism wouldnt make any sense for me to get a 92 with my CDJs and efx I chose all Pioneer just try them both and see for yourself

See this is where my situation comes in.. i do have 2 CDJ1000's, and i plan to get a EFX1000.. which is sort of an advantage for the DJM800 right?...

Could someone please tell me how the filters work with the djm 800 (they do have them right?). Do they have a low pass, high pass and band pass like the xone's or are they different? I saw one the other day, saw that it had the color filters, but i didnt play with it.

Does the djm have a frequency knob?

well, each of the color effects is a filter (or maybe 3 of the 4 are), so there's 3 or 4 right off the bat that the xone doesnt have. you can use each of those filters over each of the bpm/onboard effects (echo, delay, rev delay, pan, trans, filter, phaser, reverb, robot, chorus, roll, rev roll, snd/rtn). technically, there are like over 50 filter combos (i think). i'm still waiting on my djm800 in the mail (will have tomorrow), but i dont think the xone touches it.. i mean maybe the xone might sound a little better better and the high low filters might be sick as hell, but come on... the djm800 is hooked the fuck up!! and its cheeper...

maybe pairing the onboard filter with the color filters might give you that high/low pass filter control like the xone...

Ive heard the filters on the djm 800 and they do not even compare to the one's on the xone's, sooo much nicer on the xones.

i'd go for the xone:92 mainly because it has a better cueing system IMO (ability to choose between pre/post eq monitoring). and you can also get it as a rotary version (dunno if you can get a rotary kit for the djm though). the djm is 100% digital and has loads of effects if that's your thing and it looks loads better than the silver xone:92 xmas tree. still i wouldn't think twice, i'd get the xone.

Definately both mixers are really really nice. I bought the Xone 92 rotary before the DJM-800 came out (and yes, a rotary kit is available for the DJM-800).

As I see it:

Xone 92 Benefits
- It's really built like a tank. While the DJM-800 is MUCH better than the DJM-500/600, it still doesn't feel quite as solid as the Xone (in terms of knobs and controls and such). I took the cover off of my Xone recently (to disable the RIAA phono pre-amps on a couple channels), and I was really amazed at the quality under the hood. Top notch and very "low-tech" old school. I would think the Xone's are less prone to failure (simply because of the simplicity of the design).
- The filters. Everyone knows about the filters, and I'd take them over any other effects units any day. I rarely even use them as "effects" per-se, but use them all the time when mixing. Using a high pass filter really gives you a nice clean way to EQ. I haven't played with the 800 enough to really know if they are as usable as the Xone's. And yes, being completely analog they do sound really unique.
- It's a fantastic sounding mixer. I wouldn't buy into the theory that the DJM-800 sounds "better" because of the digital link to the CDJ's. The sound has to be converted to analog somewhere, in the Xone you do it "before" the mixer, and the 800 you can do "after" the mixer. They both sound great, but sound "different". Which you like better is preference. If you play vinyl, they Xone has fantastic pre-amps.
- Has a lot of routing options with the auxilary channels and such (essentially makes it a 6 channel mixer).
- 4 band EQ's. Some people love this, some people find it overkill. It can be useful to really pinpoint and separate sounds when mixing.

DJM-800 Benefits
- Bells and whistles galore, with the built in effects and such.
- Has a "standard" effects loop, which is more intuitive (but perhaps less flexible) than the Xone routing scheme.
- Full MIDI support. The Xone has MIDI, but only a few controls actually output MIDI (crossfader, filter frequency knobs, and maybe 2-3 other ones, as well as a midi clock). I've recently been playing with ableton, and really don't miss full MIDI control on the mixer. It might seem like the DJM-800 is a perfect MIDI controller/mixer, but when you actually try to set it all up there are a number of obstacles which still require an external MIDI controller. Still nice to have the MIDI support, though.
- Digital thoughout, so the sound is definately nice and crisp. Also, it's 24/96 digital, which is WORLDS better than previous digital mixers which were only 16 bit.

If I had to choose today, it would be a hard decision to make! Though I think my Xone is pretty much "future-proof", since there's nothing to really go obsolete in it!

edit: didnt mean to quote the other guy lol...


just fyi in my thread about the DJM800 there's some information on the filters...my opinion is that they are very clean and amazing but some people have said they dont compare to the 92's. i think it just comes down to sound preference like someone mentioned. also to clarify something...the sound signal can be kept completely digital if you have a full digital setup (the 800 has spdif ins and outs galore)...also the DJM800 DOES have a rotary kit which is really cool although i won't be dishing out the money for that anytime soon lol...i hope this thread doesnt turn into an 800vs 92 debate...both are astounding and more than sufficient and i think you will be happy if you go either way. the only thing is, my personal opinion is that if i was gonna go for the 92, seeing the trend of EDM these days, i'd just save up and go for the xone 3D to be honest. it was between the 800 and the 3D for me and I ended up going for the 800 for various reasons.

cheers

I just wish they offered a Xone 3D with a ROTARY option. I love my knobs

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster edit: didnt mean to quote the other guy lol... just fyi in my thread about the DJM800 there's some information on the filters...my opinion is that they are very clean and amazing but some people have said they dont compare to the 92's. i think it just comes down to sound preference like someone mentioned. also to clarify something...the sound signal can be kept completely digital if you have a full digital setup (the 800 has spdif ins and outs galore)...also the DJM800 DOES have a rotary kit which is really cool although i won't be dishing out the money for that anytime soon lol...i hope this thread doesnt turn into an 800vs 92 debate...both are astounding and more than sufficient and i think you will be happy if you go either way. the only thing is, my personal opinion is that if i was gonna go for the 92, seeing the trend of EDM these days, i'd just save up and go for the xone 3D to be honest. it was between the 800 and the 3D for me and I ended up going for the 800 for various reasons. cheers

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I just wish they offered a Xone 3D with a ROTARY option. I love my knobs

how cool would that be!

cool enough for me to buy it. I have a xone:92r right now and i've been thinking about a xone:3D but they don't have a rotary for it soo.

i got my djm800 today... i havent really got to use it because i had a big gig tonight and was running around all day. i'll tell you right now, the color effects filter is weak as hell. the bpm filter is a fucking joke!! sounds like a fucking flanger or something. the filter on my numark dxm06 is better than the djm's filters. another thing i didnt like was the headphones... the cued track is way louder than the master volume and i couldnt figure it out... like i said, i spent like 5 min on the djm today and hopefully i will get some time tomorrow to mess around w/ it and find something positive to write about it :/

ps when i used the djm, i put a hip hop cd in it, so i bet if i play some trance/house/etc i will be able to successfully use some of the effects (i know i will). i think i was just playin the wrong type of music to use effects w/...

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Originally posted by Prism it wouldnt make any sense for me to get a 92 with my CDJs and efx

Why not? I have CDJ-1000mk3s and an EFX with a Xone:92.

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Originally posted by Wiznia Could someone please tell me how the filters work with the djm 800 (they do have them right?).

Sort of. It has sweepable filter effects, and a BPM-linked filter effect.

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Do they have a low pass, high pass and band pass like the xone's or are they different?

They're different. The color filter effect has one knob. Turn it left, and it simulates a low-pass filter. Turn it right, and it simulates a high-pass filter. The "sweep" is similar, but instead mimics a notch filter and a band-pass filter.

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Does the djm have a frequency knob?

Nope. There is no frequency. Remember, it's an effect, not a filter.

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Originally posted by discobiscuit well, each of the color effects is a filter (or maybe 3 of the 4 are), so there's 3 or 4 right off the bat that the xone doesnt have.

Umm, no. Only the one labeled "filter" simulates a filter. When you get right down to it, the DJM doesn't even have filters, but a digital facsimile of them.

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maybe pairing the onboard filter with the color filters might give you that high/low pass filter control like the xone...

Nope.

Excellent post by Ryan, by the way.

Don't get me wrong, the DJM-800 is a very nice mixer. You just have to realize that all the money you're putting into it is going towards an effects section. Take those out, and it's a substandard mixer. On the Xone:92, you're paying for build and sound quality, and the most versatile cueing system on the market. And those sweet analog filters.

Do you want built-in effects, or not? You can always add an effector later, and get more precise control. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I would rather have the 92's filters than a whole rack of digital effects. I have an EFX-500, and rarely use it, but I use the filters all the time.

When the 800 first came out, I had a case of gear-envy. When I actually used it, that quickly passed. It's a cool mixer, but the 92 is on an entirely different level.

CDJs just look better with an 800 )

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Originally posted by Prism CDJs just look better with an 800 )

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Originally posted by Prism CDJs just look better with an 800 )

i think that the xone would look better betwee cdj800's but yeah my djm looks sick between the 1000's

Yeah but either a DJM800 or a Xone:92 are drool worthy when surrounded by CDJ-1000mk3's.

And what's wrong with my MK2's? lol

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Originally posted by Psiweaver Yeah but either a DJM800 or a Xone:92 are drool worthy when surrounded by CDJ-1000mk3's.

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