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Hail Canada!!!
So basically Canada Told Opec to SUCK IT!!
God I love you people..
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| OPEC president calls on Canada to develop ties to cartel DAVID EBNER Globe and Mail Update Calgary � Canada would benefit from closer ties with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, the head of the oil cartel said in Calgary Monday ahead of a visit to the Alberta oil sands. �Canada could well get to a point where they would have to begin to listen to what OPEC is saying ... and maybe, god knows, even a common dialogue with OPEC,� Edmund Daukoru, OPEC president and Nigerian oil minister, told a gathering of reporters at a meeting hosted by FirstEnergy Capital Corp., which organized the visit. Canada, already the No. 1 exporter of crude oil to the United States, produces about 2.5-million barrels of oil a day, putting it among top 10 global producers. Output is predicted to rise to 4.5-million b/d by 2015 as oil sands production increases. That level would make Canada the No. 4 producer in the world, behind only Saudi Arabia, Russia and the U.S. Signing on Canada as an official or even unofficial OPEC member would be a coup for the cartel. But Canada doesn't seem all that interested. Related to this article (AP) Latest Comments It's not like there is any plan here in Alberta for any sort... Possible facilitation of stability in international oil markets... Wouldn't we have to nationalize the energy program to join OPEC... Yeah, but for all you lefties who don't think it is a good idea... 55 reader comments | Join the conversation Follow this writer Add DAVID EBNER to my e-mail alerts Earlier this month, Alberta Energy Minister Greg Melchin said the province has no interest in holding back production. The comment was a response to OPEC's call on its members and non-members to restrain crude output to stabilize oil prices, which have fallen sharply in recent months. �Our model is that we market the crude as it's produced,� Mr. Melchin told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview published Oct. 13. �It's not our policy to hold onto our resources and prevent them from being developed.� Mr. Daukoru said OPEC already has open dialogues with China, the European Union and Russia, adding that Russia regularly attends OPEC meetings as an observer. Mr. Daukoru and a delegation of about a dozen Nigerians are visiting the Syncrude Canada Ltd. oil sands mine north of Fort McMurray Tuesday. The visit is a general one rather than one where Nigeria might be considering investment in the region. OPEC, which has 11 members and is led by Saudis was founded in the 1960s to control oil prices. The cartel is desperately trying to hold up the oil price, which has fallen precipitously from a peak near $80 (U.S.) a barrel earlier this year. It traded around $58.50 Monday. Last week, the cartel, which produces roughly a third of global output, cut its oil production quota by 1.2 million barrels a day to 26.8 million b/d. The cut was a response to a flood of oil on international markets, a result of producers taking advantage of high prices. However, oil industry players weren't impressed by the move. Analysts at Societe Generale, the French bank, said Monday in a report that OPEC appears to be �desperate.� |
No offense, by my fellow Canadian government is f**king dumb. First of all, that same American government has screwed us over with beef export bans, because of illegal tarrifs on our lumber (which is illegal move, as NAFTA said), and USA has collected over 4 billion-plus in lumber tariffs since 2002. F**king jerks. And what does Canada do? Nothing! Only rude jokes by American politicians making fun of us ...
We supply USA with most of their oil, freshwater, lumber, and other shit. And what do we get? A spit in the face, tight borders for truckers and business allegedly to Al Qaeda threat from Canada (yeah, my dad's a trucker I know the shit).
And then some Canadian idiot says he doesnt want to make a move to increase prices of oil to USA. LOL, I live in a country of idiots .... wow, bravo, bravo .... I feel more and more ashamed for the pussy strategies of my own government, who is afraid to stand up for its own values and interests. So pathetic ...
We've been infiltrated by USA, they're running this country, thats the only basic explanation. We'll always be America's servants. Even though we have the rights to have equal business, relations with USA as provided by NAFTA, WTO. Yeah, right ...
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] We supply USA with most of their oil, freshwater, lumber, and other shit. And what do we get? A spit in the face, tight borders for truckers and business allegedly to Al Qaeda threat from Canada (yeah, my dad's a trucker I know the shit). |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard A viable economy, that's what we get. I'm sorry to say, the only idiot I see here is typing in salmon coloured font. Canada is a country of roughly 38 million people. 38 million is no where close to enough people in an area of land such as we have to create an economy sufficiently robust as to sustain our lifestyle. If we were not an exporter of natural resources then our economy would grind to a halt as the consumer demand in this country is incapable of supporting the industrial capacity. So, we need to export our resources.... well, who wants them? The US. Why? Because we are capable of supplying them to US industry in a more cost effective manner then any other resource exporting nation. This is due to a number of factors but most noteable amongst them are competative pricing and geography. If we charge the same price for commodities as anywhere else in the world we can deliver the same product at a lower ultimate cost because the expenses to deliver the product are lower then they would be elsewhere. If we were to raise our prices it is quite conceivable that US industry would shop elsewhere, this is not a desirable situation for us. BTW, oil is a commodity, our sale price is the same as every other countries sale price. Joining OPEC would cost money, thus lowering the profitablility of our oil industry. Additionally, we would be required to abid by OPEC production agreements which would limit how much crude we can produce, thus giving up our economy. For someone who raves about Canada giving up it's autonomy for US interests and for taking a hit on profitability through certain trade practices it seems odd that you would want to do the exact same thing you rail against to bolster the interests of 10 non-alligned states who's welfare does not impact our own (to any demonstrable level). |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL, this only proves my point ... Why are Canadians so dumb? Why cant my PURSUE OUR OWN INTERESTS instead of playing the American game? They tell us what to do, tell us to suck it. aAnd we comply. Lets sell our lumber somewhere else, cut all export to USA. Then we'll see who'll be crying about it. Or oil,, water, gas ... why the hell do we have to be humiliated so badly, while USA breaks its own end of the bargain under NAFTA and NATO and refuses to honour it, we ignorantly and blindly continue on. This is dumB. I am losing faith in Canada. Canada will never have its own voice, its own politics and a truly independent flowering economy if we continue to curtail ourselves into this American trap. This is not fair trade at all, as much as you'd like to disagree. We have become entangled into the US system, we're so dependent on USA that they tell us what to do. Well, then, lets sell our stuff more than before to Europe, China, Russia and other countries. Why do we sti here and do what USA tells us? Come on, man, where's your sense of love for Canada! Stop jerking around being on American leash! Where;s OUR interests, OUR politics, OUR well-being and economic independence from USA? -Sigh- |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL, this only proves my point ... Why are Canadians so dumb? Why cant my PURSUE OUR OWN INTERESTS instead of playing the American game? They tell us what to do, tell us to suck it. aAnd we comply. Lets sell our lumber somewhere else, cut all export to USA. Then we'll see who'll be crying about it. Or oil,, water, gas ... why the hell do we have to be humiliated so badly, while USA breaks its own end of the bargain under NAFTA and NATO and refuses to honour it, we ignorantly and blindly continue on. This is dumB. I am losing faith in Canada. Canada will never have its own voice, its own politics and a truly independent flowering economy if we continue to curtail ourselves into this American trap. This is not fair trade at all, as much as you'd like to disagree. We have become entangled into the US system, we're so dependent on USA that they tell us what to do. Well, then, lets sell our stuff more than before to Europe, China, Russia and other countries. Why do we sti here and do what USA tells us? Come on, man, where's your sense of love for Canada! Stop jerking around being on American leash! Where;s OUR interests, OUR politics, OUR well-being and economic independence from USA? -Sigh- |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'm sorry to say, the only idiot I see here is typing in salmon coloured font. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard he problem I have with you my friend is that you simply don't understand how the economic structure of this country works. The Canadian and US economies are interdependant, however, due to the difference in size between them the US economy would be slightly adversly effected by a disruption in our trade relationship whereas the Canadian economy would be desimated. Truth is if wee were to cut all exports to the US we would most certainly suffer far worse consequences then the US. When economies are interdependant often looking out for the interests of those you share a relationship with is also looking after your own interests. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard A viable economy, that's what we get. I'm sorry to say, the only idiot I see here is typing in salmon coloured font. Canada is a country of roughly 38 million people. 38 million is no where close to enough people in an area of land such as we have to create an economy sufficiently robust as to sustain our lifestyle. If we were not an exporter of natural resources then our economy would grind to a halt as the consumer demand in this country is incapable of supporting the industrial capacity. So, we need to export our resources.... well, who wants them? The US. Why? Because we are capable of supplying them to US industry in a more cost effective manner then any other resource exporting nation. This is due to a number of factors but most noteable amongst them are competative pricing and geography. If we charge the same price for commodities as anywhere else in the world we can deliver the same product at a lower ultimate cost because the expenses to deliver the product are lower then they would be elsewhere. If we were to raise our prices it is quite conceivable that US industry would shop elsewhere, this is not a desirable situation for us. BTW, oil is a commodity, our sale price is the same as every other countries sale price. Joining OPEC would cost money, thus lowering the profitablility of our oil industry. Additionally, we would be required to abid by OPEC production agreements which would limit how much crude we can produce, thus giving up our economy. For someone who raves about Canada giving up it's autonomy for US interests and for taking a hit on profitability through certain trade practices it seems odd that you would want to do the exact same thing you rail against to bolster the interests of 10 non-alligned states who's welfare does not impact our own (to any demonstrable level). |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL, this only proves my point ... Why are Canadians so dumb? Why cant my PURSUE OUR OWN INTERESTS instead of playing the American game? They tell us what to do, tell us to suck it. aAnd we comply. Lets sell our lumber somewhere else, cut all export to USA. Then we'll see who'll be crying about it. Or oil,, water, gas ... why the hell do we have to be humiliated so badly, while USA breaks its own end of the bargain under NAFTA and NATO and refuses to honour it, we ignorantly and blindly continue on. This is dumB. I am losing faith in Canada. Canada will never have its own voice, its own politics and a truly independent flowering economy if we continue to curtail ourselves into this American trap. This is not fair trade at all, as much as you'd like to disagree. We have become entangled into the US system, we're so dependent on USA that they tell us what to do. Well, then, lets sell our stuff more than before to Europe, China, Russia and other countries. Why do we sti here and do what USA tells us? Come on, man, where's your sense of love for Canada! Stop jerking around being on American leash! Where;s OUR interests, OUR politics, OUR well-being and economic independence from USA? -Sigh- |
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| Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: Show some evidence!! As I see it, the USA and canada are dependant on each other. The USA needs canada just as much as canada needs the USA. Why export to far-away lands, costing time and money, when just across the border, is the strongest economy in the world; that is willing to do business with ya. THINK ABOUT IT!! |
I feel for for him though, sad that his hatred for the US has made him almost on the same level as Softcore Trancer, Purple and a few others. Hell I hate Canada for some things that I find as unforgivable like; Brian Adams, Alanis Morsett, Avril Lavigne, Sum41, Barenakedladies and the list goes on 
But with all joking aside, it does not take a genius to see that both countries benefit from each other in more ways than one.
that is such a loud color.... eh??
What seems to be getting forgotten, glossed over, swept under the rug or whatever you want to call it is that COMMERCE is a 2-WAY STREET. Both parties benefit mutually from their business relationship. Canada has a shitload of natural resources, which everybody knows (probably more than they could ever use in the foreseeable future). It benefits them to monetize some of those assets so that they can put the cash to good use for things like improving infrastructure. It does them no use to horde a few billion tons of wood and oil sludge when there is such a high opportunity cost in doing so. Nobody is forcing them to sell these assets--it is a mutually beneficial transaction.
This is a free economic system, Magneto--notice we don't have bread lines in the West like you had in communist Russia where everything was owned, controlled and distributed by the state.
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| Originally posted by LazFX I feel for for him though, sad that his hatred for the US has made him almost on the same level as Softcore Trancer, Purple and a few others. Hell I hate Canada for some things that I find as unforgivable like; Brian Adams, Alanis Morsett, Avril Lavigne, Sum41, Barenakedladies and the list goes on But with all joking aside, it does not take a genius to see that both countries benefit from each other in more ways than one. that is such a loud color.... eh?? |
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| Originally posted by Shakka But the McKenzie Brothers were something special! Where does opinion fall on Pamela Anderson? |
I am not against American people, Ive been to USA, I love the people. I am against their governnment. They treat Canada terribly. Violate our rights by not following their NAFTA obligations, and telling WTO to jerk off.
Canada is too dependent on USA. We need to form better and more economic ties with other countries, so that if USA goes down, we dont go down with them. We need to be independent. You see, USA can probably survive without Canada. Canada can't. So USA is telling us to suck it, and we place the tail between our legs and say OK.
I'd say we should do more trade with EU, China, Russia and Japan. Instead of being deeply influenced, manipulated and taken advantage of by the States, Canada has a clear opportunity to establish its own "idea", and then perhaps United States will treat us with more respect and dignity, not America Junior or some helpless country that serves American interests.
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I'd say we should do more trade with EU, China, Russia and Japan. Instead of being deeply influenced, manipulated and taken advantage of by the States, Canada has a clear opportunity to establish its own "idea", and then perhaps United States will treat us with more respect and dignity, not America Junior or some helpless country that serves American interests. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I am not against American people, Ive been to USA, I love the people. I am against their governnment. They treat Canada terribly. Violate our rights by not following their NAFTA obligations, and telling WTO to jerk off. Canada is too dependent on USA. We need to form better and more economic ties with other countries, so that if USA goes down, we dont go down with them. We need to be independent. You see, USA can probably survive without Canada. Canada can't. So USA is telling us to suck it, and we place the tail between our legs and say OK. I'd say we should do more trade with EU, China, Russia and Japan. Instead of being deeply influenced, manipulated and taken advantage of by the States, Canada has a clear opportunity to establish its own "idea", and then perhaps United States will treat us with more respect and dignity, not America Junior or some helpless country that serves American interests. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I'd say we should do more trade with EU, China, Russia and Japan. Instead of being deeply influenced, manipulated and taken advantage of by the States, Canada has a clear opportunity to establish its own "idea", and then perhaps United States will treat us with more respect and dignity, not America Junior or some helpless country that serves American interests. |
The U.S. has deep pockets and high demand. It's very doubtful Canada could find similar profit margins elsewhere, much less more favorable arrangements.
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I am not against American people, Ive been to USA, I love the people. I am against their governnment. They treat Canada terribly. Violate our rights by not following their NAFTA obligations, and telling WTO to jerk off. Canada is too dependent on USA. We need to form better and more economic ties with other countries, so that if USA goes down, we dont go down with them. We need to be independent. You see, USA can probably survive without Canada. Canada can't. So USA is telling us to suck it, and we place the tail between our legs and say OK. I'd say we should do more trade with EU, China, Russia and Japan. Instead of being deeply influenced, manipulated and taken advantage of by the States, Canada has a clear opportunity to establish its own "idea", and then perhaps United States will treat us with more respect and dignity, not America Junior or some helpless country that serves American interests. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer I agree 100% |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer I agree 100% but with this retarded prime minister of our it looks like we will be more dependent to the Americans more then ever!! cant wait to have the Liberals back in power again. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Why? So we can have the most corrupt government in the history of Canada back in power?? |
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| Originally posted by LazFX you would wouldn't you... |
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