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How Bolier & Coenraad Steal A Melody!
I will not say too much words. But I think that world trance community have to know their heroes!
I think a lot of us listen to ASOT with Armin van Buuren. In episode 272 Armin presented new track of new collab of Cliff Coenraad and very known Leon Bolier. The track is called "The Mighty Ducks" and Armin wrote that it's signed to Intuition Recordings in a tracklist.
Now let us see the other side of the question. In november 2005 I wrote a mellow for my new track "Irony", a month later I produced whole track and in 14 december 2005 I sent a promo to some big labels, including United Recordings and Fundamental Recordings, the head labels for Intuition.
The track was not signed in 2005 because of not good sound and mixing (it was my basic experience in producing). In 2006 soon I had to sign it in reworked version. But this week we found new track from Leon Bolier in ASOT!
Let us listen to the parts of both tracks.
Paul Vinitsky Original - here
Bolier & Coenraad - here
If Intuition will release "The Mighty Ducks" I'm ready to initiate a judgement process because I have foundations to prove that this track was written by myself in 2005.
So dear friends please be very accurate with sending your promos. In a year it can appear in abit modified form with the big variety that new artists will don't even change a sound.
RIPOFFFF
thats not good 
Interesting.
I wonder how much of this sort of thing goes on with out being noticed.
that sucks bigtime 
this only motivates one even more to kick up your own digital label 
very bad, shame.
Fucking thieves
Bloody labels these days
What a crap mate 
this kind of things gives bad feelings to our music world.. :/
nice move, Leon. Really nice.
In 2006 soon I HAD TO SIGN IT in reworked version. But this week we found new track from Leon Bolier in ASOT!
** that means that u havent signed it yet? (but were going to?)...hmm.. then u dont have that much case in a court im afraid.. unfortunately If something isnt official signed to any labels or websites with copyrights, people have the right to do whatever they want..
BUT, if this is a rip-off (which it surely sounds like: the patch is the same aswell as most of the melody), it truly sucks and is not fair to anyone..
Hope u sort out this between u guys in a good way.
1. The melody is not the same. The sound seems the same but that can happen when presets are used.
2. I've heard such melodies from Leon for 3 years now, he has made more of such breaks. I know him in real life, he's a nice guy who doesn't copy melodies from others.
3. Good luck with your judgement process... Even if an artist like scooter copies a melody for about 95% you can't get it right in court. And in this case the melody is totally different.
So I guess you have to try to get your track signed...
Rememeber people, there are two producers here.
You can't blame/praise one and not blame/praise the other.
Thx for support, friends.
Vascotia, on the regulations of the author's right. Not only a contract with label could confirm the rights of the author. There are some another things to make it. And I have them. Try to do something, because such things "kill" a lot of very talent begginer artists...
i think the melody is almost the same, there is only a small change in Leon's version, but that's just my opinion...
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| Originally posted by C-quence 1. The melody is not the same. The sound seems the same but that can happen when presets are used. 2. I've heard such melodies from Leon for 3 years now, he has made more of such breaks. I know him in real life, he's a nice guy who doesn't copy melodies from others. 3. Good luck with your judgement process... Even if an artist like scooter copies a melody for about 95% you can't get it right in court. And in this case the melody is totally different. So I guess you have to try to get your track signed... |
Seriously all I could think of right now is PWNED
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| Originally posted by C-quence 1. The melody is not the same. The sound seems the same but that can happen when presets are used. 2. I've heard such melodies from Leon for 3 years now, he has made more of such breaks. I know him in real life, he's a nice guy who doesn't copy melodies from others. 3. Good luck with your judgement process... Even if an artist like scooter copies a melody for about 95% you can't get it right in court. And in this case the melody is totally different. So I guess you have to try to get your track signed... |
I should say that imo the melody almost the same, only a bit changed, maybe a coincidence? I don know but I won't wager for this option.
This is my opinion, but we should listen the two sides of this history..
I should say that imo the melody almost the same, only a bit changed, maybe a coincidence? I don know but I wouldn't wager for this option.
This is my opinion, but we should listen the two sides of this history..
i would say originally it might be sound simillar but its still different no matter what u say...Different Sound , Different octave , everything. Scooter ripped off Push - Strange World...and? nothing.
not to mention there are 100000000000 trance tunes that sound simillar and some completely identical...i dont think u can do anything about it since there's always way to win here , u dont have any copyrights for this melody beacuse u havnt signed it im afraid...and even if u do leon can change a small note in the melody and it will turn into his own melody just beacuse of a 1 single note...
What Maor said..
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| Originally posted by C-quence 1. The melody is not the same. The sound seems the same but that can happen when presets are used. 2. I've heard such melodies from Leon for 3 years now, he has made more of such breaks. I know him in real life, he's a nice guy who doesn't copy melodies from others. 3. Good luck with your judgement process... Even if an artist like scooter copies a melody for about 95% you can't get it right in court. And in this case the melody is totally different. So I guess you have to try to get your track signed... |
But hey.. even if a track isn't signed, it can still be copyrighted?
However, you must have actual proof of that YOU made it. Date as well, so that it can be verified that your production actually was made BEFORE the suspected reproduction.
Soundclick has made this possible by giving the artist an option of not letting anyone download the track, and only stream it. It also shows the date when the track is added - and therefore proof of when it's added ( promoted ).. Some also send the track on a cd-r to themself ( via normal mail ) and then don't break the sealing. That's also a way of proving the date when the track \ melody came to the world.
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| Originally posted by alexpea But hey.. even if a track isn't signed, it can still be copyrighted? However, you must have actual proof of that YOU made it. Date as well, so that it can be verified that your production actually was made BEFORE the suspected reproduction. Soundclick has made this possible by giving the artist an option of not letting anyone download the track, and only stream it. It also shows the date when the track is added - and therefore proof of when it's added ( promoted ).. Some also send the track on a cd-r to themself ( via normal mail ) and then don't break the sealing. That's also a way of proving the date when the track \ melody came to the world. |
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