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Ok here's my question: Why does everybody love Dj Tiesto so much? What puts him at level with the likes of PvD and Oakie, and Picotto..? Why don't i ever see a song that sez: "song title" by Dj Tiesto? Does he not produce songs?
When Tiesto is behind the wheels of steel he's just one big piece of energy with the whole set a big smile on his face. He is enjoying the party more then the people on the dancefloor. That's his big power, he isn't there for the money (do i hear dj jean or jurgen?) but only because he love's the partying. And also the music he playes take's you to another level, you don't need drugs for that during his set 
and about the producing: check the aliases topic! (he produced lots of records, but under another name)
Tiesto not producing any traxx?? You DEFINITELY need to check the aliases subject!!
But let me name some for ya, to joggle your memory:
ALLURE - We ran at dawn / No more tears
ALIBI - Eternity
DJ TIESTO - Sparkles
KAMAYA PAINTERS - Endless wave / Cryptomnesia / Wasteland
These have GOT to mean something to you!
OOhh Yeah, Tiesto is da man. Eeh, yeah, check that Alias topic,..could be very usefull
You should see Tiesto live,..he'll make you cry with his wonderfull tunes,..just awsome 
Oooh, so Tiesto's behind all these great songs ive been listening to forever! But kamaya painters? i thought that was EB de Goeij alone! Very interesting.. any chance he's ever coming to kentucky..?? LOL that's too funny... but i WOULd love to see him live!
OK, am I the only person on this message board that DOESNT like Tiesto??? I mean he is decent.... but his set at innercity (the mp3, I'm on the wrong continent to see any big name DJs live 
) nearly put me to sleep.... I like some kamaya painters stuff but its not incredible... and most of the DJ tiesto remixes of songs I have don't really improve much on the original (BT - dreaming, delerium - silence, the airscape mix is soooo much better for that song). Does anyone at all agree with me?
Hehe, Morbius I totally agree with you ... wanted to post this a while ago, but I didn't want to be the one who always stirs shit up =) ... lol.
But yeah, Tiesto might be a good DJ, and a good producer, but that's about it. He is decent, but doesn't do anything interesting and innovative, it is alwayt the same trancey trace formula. All his sets sound the same, all his music sounds the same - just like every other big-name trance DJ out there. But I don't blame him, if people want to hear the same thing over and over again, that's what is being played, I'm sure he doesn't like it that way either, but unfortunately too much money and prestige is in the game to give the DJs free choice of the muk they play.
again, hope I'm making sense ...
peace
[Edited 'coz I can't type]
[This message has been edited by skywarp (edited 11-23-2000).]
Morbius and skywarp. You're not alone. While appreciating that Tiesto is an able producer his music doesn't get me off the way something like Picotto does. Tiesto is ok for the odd "quiet" moment, but I see no reason for picking him in favor of Taucher, Lange or any other of the other "dream/epic/euro/melodic"-trance producers out there.
some other names tiesto is involved with...
GOURYELLA
VIMANA
so he IS producing tracks...
I totally agree though with Morbius/Skywarp/Trancaholic! Tiesto is a nice dj but he's becoming a bit boring I think! That's the matter with all deejays who become TOO popular I think... check Oakenfold
LATER!
ok i read all the masseges in this topic and let me tell u all something.
if there is out there dj that i dont understand y everyone like him its
Paul Oakenfold.
what makes him so good?
i really dont like his style its so dry and boring. and onr more thing to say
TIESTO ROXXXXXXXX
Thanks for your support everyone 
And I have to beg to differ with regards to Oakenfeld too... any of his new stuff is shit. Most of it is just a bunch of anthems tagged together (OK, I know Perfecto Presents Another World isn't but IMHO it sucks too) One mix he made that is so good I nearly shit my pants is called the Goa Mix, and its from '94. I've probably mentioned this 10 times already, but go download it people!!!
Oaky stole a few songs from this mix to use in PPAW, but he didnt do nearly as good of a job overall. Here's a link where you can see what tracks are on this amazing mix: http://www.tracklistings.org/broadbybid.php3?bid=55
Be sure to check lower down on the page for an accurate tracklisting. Oh yah, check out the Mad Wax Seventh Day mix too.... a link is *somwhere* on that big page :P
And just like mainstream music.... popular != good... just like the most popular music is (generally) shit, some of the most popular DJs are getting pretty crappy.
Tiesto RULEZZZ
Okayokay I think Tiesto rules, but where does Jeff Mills' reputation come from?! I know he is one of the pioneer guys of trance music but when I listen to his songs like
DNA, Medusa, Solid Sleep, The Bells, The Extremist etc. I feel like turning the volume down.
To really appreciate Tiesto you have to see him live. Being lucky to see him at a rave this summer, I must say that he is unlike any other DJ I've seen.
First of all, ALL the music he plays is amazing. Most DJs just have like 20-30% of good tracks.
Secondly, he is actually dancing himself while he is DJing. It is really great to see that DJ enjoys the music himself, and not just plays it to earn money.
As far as being repetitive, I think every DJ is like that. You can't expect Tiesto to play totally new stuff every month. Not enough good tracks are released in such short period of time. However if you compare Tiesto's set at Innercity and his Magic 6 album which was recorded this summer, you'll see that they are TOTALLY different.
As far as his tracks go, don't tell me that
something like Major League-Wonder sounds even remotely similar to Gouryella - Gouryella or Allure-No more tears.
I must say that Tiesto rocks! Indeed, his liveset at Innercity isn't his best one. His last album (Summerbreeze) is way much better. In my mind, his favorite liveset is at Energy 2000 on the new year's Eve. His 3 last Magiks are very good too.
Regarding Oakie, I really liked him before, but as many of you mentionned, he is getting really boring and shitty. His Perfecto Presents Another World is really not good at all. I listened to it for 15 mins and cut it off. His Goa Mix '94 kicks ass. Tranceport and live at Gatecrasher rock too. Well, I think i've made my point.
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Yep.... I agree. In order to experience the magik of Tiesto, You'll have to see him live. The first time I witnessed him in Wintergalactic held at the Docks, Toronto, he literally blew me away....
His sets are so melodic yet at times hard... which I love, so much so that the promoters brought him back for the second time... this year!!! Watching him up at the booth, smiling everytime he lay his record down just drives the crowd insane....
And.. Oakey ... he is still great, although there was a point where I really got bored with his stuff. Anyway, I wouldn't mind paying to watch him... there is still this classic thing about Oakey..
Fluoro
Hmm I'd don't think seeing Tiesto play live as opposed to on cd would make the tracks he plays any less dull and crappy :P
Ah........ only people who experienced will know it, rite? futurasounds?......... 
Flu 
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Damn! What a load of people here who consider Tiesto as an ordinary DJ who produces only melodic riffs and snares!
DJ Tiesto is definately a dynamic figure in the trance scene, a charismatic DJ who maintains eye-contact with the crowd as he lays those magnificent "plastics" on the platters, unlike Sasha & Digweed and many other superstar DJs (No offense to those fans out there but no DJ, in my personal experience, has made the crowd "bounce" that violently!)
I would have to agree that DJ Tiesto is indeed an upcoming superstar DJ in the same ranks as many others, but to be judging his remixes as being "ordinary" is simply passe.
To all who thinks that his remixes are crappy or ordinary, please I urge you to put on a pair of respectable headphones and listen carefully to each and every one of his productions, whether it be, Allure, Kamaya Painters, Gouryella...and many collaborations he accomplished with many other excellent producers. Listen without prejudice and think it over on what made you guys criticize his works. The riffs, synths and snares are simply amazingly introduced and in my mind, none has ever accomplished tunes and remixes as fast as he could.
Please anyone who can name a trance DJ/producer producing at this kinda speed? Bearing in mind he's a resident at many clubs and events all over the world.)
Let me ask you guys a question : How many of those ppl out there has actually attended a Live Tiesto set?
DJ Tiesto is ,without a doubt, a diligent and concientious DJ/producer and by any international standards, he ranks Number 1 in my heart.
I rest my case.
Fluoro > It's really a disppointing to see so many out there who have gotten sick of Tiesto....guess it's just you and me from now on...
P/S I am not directing this mail to anyone in particular and this is not a piece I actually thought I would write about.
Cheers
futurasound, my comments shouldn't have been directed towards Tiesto alone, since I consider the whole progressive fluff trance (this shouldn't be takes as a negative description) somewhat boring. I mean, most tracks, although beautifully composed and structured, are always done by the same formula ... 4/4 kick drum, pretty synth lines, breakdown, massive buildup (where everybody goes whacko) ... lather, rinse, repeat. No innovation. No experiments. No progress. The whole trance genre is becoming somewhat stale right now, and one of the reasons is its popularity. I mean, if lots of people like the formula, trance producers (including Tiesto ...) will follow it and pump out choon after choon after choon that offers very little new elemenst, and that is what destroys the whole thrill of 'new' music.
Mindbender, minimal techno (Jeff Mills) is the art of making music out of noise ... should not be compared with trance, since those are two totally different musical approaches. Some ppl like it, some don't. Pesonal taste ... should not be argued about.
peace
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Hey Skywarp,
isn't that "always the same buildup" not what defines a music style? Even pop music and rock consist of 3/4 or 4/4 rhythms... Classical music also sounds a lot alike if you compare different classical traxx.
And experimenting... That's kinda tough. You know the track " Did you hear me" by Red Light Disctrict? It has 20 beats instead of 16... You know what happens when you play a track like that? The crowd gets like totally confused.
The similarities in the style make what defines trance. Same goes for techno, club, pop, rock, latin, classic, celtic, etc. etc.
Hope you guys can agree on this, instead of pounding trance, just because it all sounds the same to you guys (to me, techno sounds all the same, sow...)
grtz, MenTall
futurasound> Please anyone who can name a trance DJ/producer producing at this kinda speed? Bearing in mind he's a resident at many clubs and events all over the world.)
Hate to be the one to bring up his name all the time - Picotto.
I agree with MenTall .. Trance music is music you can dance on ..:
"4/4 kick drum, pretty synth lines, breakdown, massive buildup. No innovation" .. What you just said is a description of Trance (except for "no innovation ).. you change this description you no more have Trance .. if you want something else .. maybe you'll have to go for d'n'b, techno, acid, nu-nrg .. whatever! 
Let's talk about Tiesto now .. THE, in my opinion, master DJ at the very moment .. Why? Well, people already said it in previous messages : Tiesto is a DJ who #1 "takes care" of the crowd if I can say .. #2 brings new stuff everytime he's dj'ing .. #3 isn't dj'ing just for money but 'cause he likes music and love sharing it with others ... Personnaly I've never seen him LIVE but I saw some videos of trance-party with him in it and what you always see is a DJ dancing around, moving his arms in the air and smiling to the crowd, seeing people loving his music .. That's what makes him popular .. He's really close to the crowd and he wants it to be happy .. to have the impression of flying away in the trance waves (with or without E )
Well that's what I think .. TIESTO RULES!!!! Cya!
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Mithandir, I'd have to disagree ... you can make really good trance without following that formula. Look for example at some of the older Platipus releases, or maybe Dragonfly or Flying Rhino (just to name a few labels). For me, the artists who get signed on these labels are actually the ones who produce what I would consider actual interesting listenable / playable trance. Why ? Becaus they are different than everybody else. Their choones are actually interesting to listen to, not just the first time you hear it, but over and over again - you just keep discovering new sounds and new drum loops and synth lines and melodic hooks that you never noticed before. The "normal" commercial trance lacks depth ... I mean, all you have is your kickdrum going throuhgout the track, a synth melody which also stays more or less the same, hihats, one or two buildup / breakdown rollercoasters - and that's it. Same thing every time ... where's the fun in that ? or maybe it's just me ...
peace
Skywarp .. Maybe your right .. It's not bad having different styles like you told .. But what i'm saying is that Trance as we know it now is defined by what I told in previous message .. Styles always change (for good or bad ..) and Trance is changing too .. But in my opinion a good trance track is one with real good synths pumping up, good drum loop you can dance on (it's hard to not get confused when beat keep changing from 4/4 to 3/4 and coming back to 4/4 etc ...) and some great buildups .. But that's my opinion I'm sure other people will agree with me .. and others won't ..
Also, I don't know for older PLATIPuS releases but the knew one sound more like nu-nrg or acid .. maybe older ones were trance .. I don't know
To close what i'm saying is that people should listen to what music they like .. only that I prefer trance with steady beats but great synths lines and strings .. maybe you don't .. and it's OK too .. if world was all the same .. my god it would be dull!! Cya guys!
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Mithrandir [ Trance is LIFE! ]
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