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Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 02:02:

Question MP3 Over 320 kbs

I'm seeing a lot of MP3 mixes that are offering 400 - 500 kbs tagged as MP3 of late.

It's obvious they are renaming the file, but I don't know what is the original source.





Anyone knows what format it is?


Posted by Spirit5 on Nov-02-2006 02:20:

I believe 320 kbps is the highest bitrate an MP3 can come in. Perhaps it's another format or just mislabel. Not sure on the format..sorry. MP4 perhaps??


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 02:30:

Its not MP4

I'm using Windows Media Player (An Old Version) for reference and it recognizes the file, but, it states format unknown.


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 02:56:

I just uploaded a 470 Kbs MP3 file.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/doopzk

Maybe this will help.


Posted by Devil Bunny on Nov-02-2006 03:06:

It is possible that you can do higher that 320 with Lame I think, I know that I have heard of some scene group doing it with the latest version of lame


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 03:19:

Did you download the file?

The Audio Codec states Unknown in Windows Media Player.
So it's not MP3.

The Highest MP3 offers is 320 Kbs. The file I uploaded is
470 kbs.


Posted by Events@Spec on Nov-02-2006 03:38:

could be flac.


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 04:41:

Thanks.

I'm checking it out.

Hopefully thats it.


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 05:38:

It's not Flac.

Any other ideas?


Posted by T-Soma on Nov-02-2006 05:57:

I think I remember hearing this in the production forum.
Its pretty pointless if you ask me.
If you think mp3 isnt high enough quality then go uncompressed.
Having mp3 at higher than 320 is just problematic.


Posted by Devil Bunny on Nov-02-2006 06:01:

Yes I've dled it, it says that its a 213kbps vbr. When you have a vbr mp3 some players get confused and say different compression rates. Yeah, I personally like a vbr mp3 over a cbr mp3 at 320 any day.


Posted by jahnlay on Nov-02-2006 12:08:

What's the point then, you might as well just use a FLAC file.


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-02-2006 15:43:

Thanks Devil Bunny.





quote:
Originally posted by jahnlay
What's the point then, you might as well just use a FLAC file.


Flac files is not a standard format.

I'll just stick with MP3 using 320 kbps 48 Khz, or MP2 384 48 Khz for mixes and keep the Wav/Aiff files for singles.


Posted by jahnlay on Nov-02-2006 17:00:

Yes, but FLAC files have non-lossy compression, meaning you can send a .wav as a FLAC in half the time cos it's half the size, yet still keep wav quality


Posted by Devil Bunny on Nov-02-2006 17:12:

Yes, but how many CDJ's do you see that can use flac?


Posted by montana on Nov-02-2006 17:49:

nope, mp3 can go over 320, it's just that early on when mp3 was new they didn't really see the meaning to go over 320, so the frontends to the codecs was only had to 320


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-02-2006 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Devil Bunny
Yes, but how many CDJ's do you see that can use flac?



You'd burn it to .wav anyways.


Posted by jahnlay on Nov-02-2006 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Devil Bunny
Yes, but how many CDJ's do you see that can use flac?


Yea, you just burn it to wav, it's easy as pie


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-03-2006 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by jahnlay
Yes, but FLAC files have non-lossy compression, meaning you can send a .wav as a FLAC in half the time cos it's half the size, yet still keep wav quality



I hear what you are saying. But, the benefit of using MP3, MP2, Wav, & AIFF is having no requirement to resort to add-ons.

Not everyone is familiar with Flac. Many will delete the file quicker than researching how to get it to work.

Id quicker send a Wav/Aiff files than resort to formats that the user may not know what it is.

Its a matter having the users double clicking on the icon and hear music. Not having them receive an error on their screen.


Posted by Ojay on Nov-03-2006 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by OMNIFEX

I'll just stick with MP3 using 320 kbps 48 Khz, or MP2 384 48 Khz for mixes and keep the Wav/Aiff files for singles.


These are the limits for these two file formats, yes. Lame allows a higher bitrate but this "free bitrate" is very special and can only be decoded with the lame engine...


The file you uploaded "Esperanza remix" is actually a 213kbps VBR mp3 file encoded with Lame 3.90.3. Nowhere "470kbps"!!!


Posted by OMNIFEX on Nov-03-2006 02:28:

Thanks Ojay.



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